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  • rambone

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    The key to uniting Republicans & Democrats is to embrace Liberty. Both parties have enough in common with libertarian beliefs, that somebody like Ron Paul could unite non-statist voters and create a victory over Establishmentarian President, Barack Obama.

    Ron Paul is inspiring Democrats to switch their party for one election! They want Obama defeated, and not to be replaced with another Establishment-backed president who will do the same things (that we all should oppose):
    1) conduct wars against countries that did not threaten us (e.g. Iraq, Libya)
    2) oversee large financial benefits to companies with which those in his administration were close (e.g. Halliburton, Goldman Sachs),
    3) establish a legal framework for riding roughshod over the liberties of private individuals who are not suspected of crime (e.g. Patriot Act),
    4) establish a massive federal apparatus to carry out such intrusions on innocent Americans in what is becoming a police state (e.g. domestic wiretapping, TSA etc... )
    I'm telling you guys, focusing on the undeniable hypocrisy of Warlord Obama is they key to his defeat. You can debate economics all day long with ignorant people and not get anywhere. However, you can illuminate the pro-war agenda of Obama in five minutes for anybody. You can show his expansion of DHS, TSA, wiretapping, unlimited detentions, on and on. You can easily display the costs of war and the toll on our freedom.

    If you want to defeat Obama, don't send another war-waging candidate to compete against him. Obama won because he acted like he was going to end the wars. That message still resounds with people, even though Obama failed to deliver. Give the voters a real choice on foreign policy and domestic liberty -- and Obama will be beaten.



    From the Huffington Post:

    If You Love Peace, Become a "Blue Republican" (Just for a Year)



    VIVA LA LIBERTE!!!!1!

     

    gunowner930

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    Paul may not win the nomination but he should at least being taken more seriously this time. that said, Paul probably has at least the same chance of beating Obama in a general election as any of the other candidates.

    Obama's record is putrid. He's broken every one of his campaign promises.

    -End the war in Iraq: 2 1/2 year later nope, and he expanded the war in Afghanistan, bombed Yemen, and is engaged "kinetic military operation" in Libya

    -Repeal the Patriot Act: He extended it shortly after taking office. His civil liberties record is terrible. The TSA is running amok under his leadership, and is establishing a police state outside of airports as we speak. Let's not forget his comment about a "civilian national defense force, just as strong, just as well funded as the US Armed Forces.

    -Restore the economy: The economy still stinks and unemployment is at over 9% by their own admission (I know, its higher). The banker bailout failed, cash for clunkers failed, and his unconstitutional healthcare law is going to fail.

    -Most transparent administration over: Haha, one only needs to look at what is going on with his Attorney General regarding "Fast and Furious." His former Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel said the you never let a good crisis go to waste. Well it looks like that Obama and Holder created a crisis to attack the 2nd Amendment.

    BO is a POS. I don't know why self-proclaimed liberals support him. Ron Paul is a REAL civil libertarian who will reign in Federal Bureaucracies and he will actually reduce the size of the Federal Government, unlike his so-called conservative competitors.
     

    Kirk Freeman

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    Polls determine seriousness.

    So which poll shows Paul being taken more seriously?

    Does not the Society for Better Ear Hair Removal have more members than Paul has voters? Or, is the worm turning?
     

    rambone

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    Polls

    So which poll shows Paul being taken more seriously?

    All of these. :banana:


    CPAC 2011 - Ron Paul Wins Straw Poll for Second Year in a Row!


    Ron Paul beats Rick Perry and all others in Texas GOP poll


    TIME Magazine - GOP Brackets


    Fox News Insider - VOTE: Who Can Beat Obama in 2012?


    WSJ - Which of the declared candidates should win the GOP nomination?


    DailyKos.com - Name the favorite to win the GOP nomination for president


    CNBC - Which GOP Candidate are you leaning towards?


    PatriotStatesman - Who Would You Like To See Win The Republican Presidential Primary?


    StarTribune.com - Poll: Who would you want to win GOP nomination?


    WSJ - Can Ron Paul win the GOP presidential nomination?


    FoxNews.com - Which Candidate or Would-Be Candidate Would You Most Like to See Debate Obama?


    CNN - GOP Debate Poll


    CharlotteConservative.com - Poll results


    Tri-State Online - Poll Results


    2012 Iowa Caucus
    (bottom right side)

    ElectionCandidates.com - Results


    Elect2012.com - 2012 Election Poll


    Which Texas political or business figure would make the best president of the United States?
    (half way down, on left)

    Fox News Insider - VOTE: Who Won Monday’s GOP Debate?


    Polldaddy.com - Who is YOUR GOP Frontrunner? (Poll Closed) (poll 5152683)


    St. Louis Business Journal - Who should get the Republican nomination for president?


    U.S. Politics Today - Poll Question


    MSNBC.com - Romney's rivals hold their fire on front-runner
    (at the bottom)

    WSBradio.com - Who won the New Hampshire Debate?


    The Ed Show - Poll: Who won tonight's GOP debate?


    The Vortex Effect - POLL: Who Do You Think Won The CNN Republican Debate?


    wepolls.com - Who won June 13th Republican Presidential Primary Debate?


    msnbc.com politics - Who do you think won the GOP presidential debate?


    CBS News - The Republican debate: 10 things to watch
    (bottom left)

    NaplesNews.com - Poll: Which Republican candidate debating Monday night would have your vote now?


    Polldaddy.com - POLL: Going into Monday night's debate, which GOP candidate do you think is the strongest? - Results (poll 5139006)


    SodaHead.com - Can Ron Paul Be Elected President?


    Quanz.com - Who do you support for the GOP Presidential nomination?


    Quanz.com - Who will the GOP support in 2012?


    WhoWillWinThe2012Election.com - Poll Results


    My Vote 2012 - Poll Results


    PollCode.com - Who do you will you vote for President in 2012?


    USMJparty.org - Who do you think would be the best president for the marijuana movement?


    FITSNews.com - 2012: A GOP Status Report


    The Shark Tank - 2012 Republican Presidential Nomination Poll


    The Real Straw Poll - Poll Results


    Digital Publius - Poll Results


    Parcbench.com - The GOP 2012 Field Takes Shape (Vote NOW!)


    YourPoliticalNewsGroup - Who Will Win GOP Nomination?
    (bottom)

    Pundit Press - Vote in Our Poll: 2012 GOP Nomination


    :whistle:
     

    jsgolfman

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    As much as I like Ron, he has to get the Republican nomination in order to beat Obama and he will NEVER get that nomination. Republicans will never select him as their candidate.
     

    Stschil

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    Paul may not win the nomination but he should at least being taken more seriously this time. that said, Paul probably has at least the same chance of beating Obama in a general election as any of the other candidates.

    Obama's record is putrid. He's broken every one of his campaign promises.

    -End the war in Iraq: 2 1/2 year later nope, and he expanded the war in Afghanistan, bombed Yemen, and is engaged "kinetic military operation" in Libya

    -Repeal the Patriot Act: He extended it shortly after taking office. His civil liberties record is terrible. The TSA is running amok under his leadership, and is establishing a police state outside of airports as we speak. Let's not forget his comment about a "civilian national defense force, just as strong, just as well funded as the US Armed Forces.

    -Restore the economy: The economy still stinks and unemployment is at over 9% by their own admission (I know, its higher). The banker bailout failed, cash for clunkers failed, and his unconstitutional healthcare law is going to fail.

    -Most transparent administration over: Haha, one only needs to look at what is going on with his Attorney General regarding "Fast and Furious." His former Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel said the you never let a good crisis go to waste. Well it looks like that Obama and Holder created a crisis to attack the 2nd Amendment.

    BO is a POS. I don't know why self-proclaimed liberals support him. Ron Paul is a REAL civil libertarian who will reign in Federal Bureaucracies and he will actually reduce the size of the Federal Government, unlike his so-called conservative competitors.

    Failed, really? I say it was a huge success. It removed 85% of the cars with 'Obama 08' bumper stickers off the roads. :laugh::laugh:
     

    Stschil

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    So the question is do we pander to the "Party Leaders" and play pick the winner from all the losers or do we stand up for what is right and support someone who could actually be good for our Country?
     

    femurphy77

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    All of these. :banana:


    CPAC 2011 - Ron Paul Wins Straw Poll for Second Year in a Row!

    Ron Paul beats Rick Perry and all others in Texas GOP poll

    TIME Magazine - GOP Brackets

    Fox News Insider - VOTE: Who Can Beat Obama in 2012?

    WSJ - Which of the declared candidates should win the GOP nomination?

    DailyKos.com - Name the favorite to win the GOP nomination for president

    CNBC - Which GOP Candidate are you leaning towards?

    PatriotStatesman - Who Would You Like To See Win The Republican Presidential Primary?

    StarTribune.com - Poll: Who would you want to win GOP nomination?

    WSJ - Can Ron Paul win the GOP presidential nomination?

    FoxNews.com - Which Candidate or Would-Be Candidate Would You Most Like to See Debate Obama?

    CNN - GOP Debate Poll

    CharlotteConservative.com - Poll results

    Tri-State Online - Poll Results

    2012 Iowa Caucus (bottom right side)

    ElectionCandidates.com - Results

    Elect2012.com - 2012 Election Poll

    Which Texas political or business figure would make the best president of the United States? (half way down, on left)

    Fox News Insider - VOTE: Who Won Monday’s GOP Debate?

    Polldaddy.com - Who is YOUR GOP Frontrunner? (Poll Closed) (poll 5152683)

    St. Louis Business Journal - Who should get the Republican nomination for president?

    U.S. Politics Today - Poll Question

    MSNBC.com - Romney's rivals hold their fire on front-runner (at the bottom)

    WSBradio.com - Who won the New Hampshire Debate?

    The Ed Show - Poll: Who won tonight's GOP debate?

    The Vortex Effect - POLL: Who Do You Think Won The CNN Republican Debate?

    wepolls.com - Who won June 13th Republican Presidential Primary Debate?

    msnbc.com politics - Who do you think won the GOP presidential debate?

    CBS News - The Republican debate: 10 things to watch (bottom left)

    NaplesNews.com - Poll: Which Republican candidate debating Monday night would have your vote now?

    Polldaddy.com - POLL: Going into Monday night's debate, which GOP candidate do you think is the strongest? - Results (poll 5139006)

    SodaHead.com - Can Ron Paul Be Elected President?

    Quanz.com - Who do you support for the GOP Presidential nomination?

    Quanz.com - Who will the GOP support in 2012?

    WhoWillWinThe2012Election.com - Poll Results

    My Vote 2012 - Poll Results

    PollCode.com - Who do you will you vote for President in 2012?

    USMJparty.org - Who do you think would be the best president for the marijuana movement?

    FITSNews.com - 2012: A GOP Status Report

    The Shark Tank - 2012 Republican Presidential Nomination Poll

    The Real Straw Poll - Poll Results

    Digital Publius - Poll Results

    Parcbench.com - The GOP 2012 Field Takes Shape (Vote NOW!)

    YourPoliticalNewsGroup - Who Will Win GOP Nomination? (bottom)

    Pundit Press - Vote in Our Poll: 2012 GOP Nomination

    :whistle:


    Rambone, I bet you were just sitting there HOPING that somebody asked that question!:laugh:
     

    NYFelon

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    Because Paul is president does not mean he would get anything done. The entire Congress - BOTH HOUSES - would be hostile territory to him. Tell me, how many Americans do you think are ready to see a return to true liberty? It can't be many, as 60% of Americans polled by Pew think that keeping SSi and Medicare/Medicaid completely as they are is more important than reducing the deficit. So tell me, how will Ron Paul accomplish these things he says he will accomplish, when he will be a lame duck from the word go? Six out of every ten constituents of all members of Congress will rumble, grumble, scream and wail over these things Paul says he will do. So again, how will he get them done?
     

    pirate

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    He is pretty much the only change we have left to return things even remotely to what they once where.
     

    dross

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    Since he can't get the Republican nomination, he can only run as an independent. Running as an independent ensures Obama's election.

    The thing you seem to never understand about politics is that there are huge blocks of voters that will NEVER vote your way. This requires any candidate who will ever be elected president to make compromises you are going to hate. This places you permanently on the fringe where the only thing you can do is be a spoiler, which ensures that the guy farthest from your views will be elected, which then provokes a series of ridiculous rationalizations that claim that all the candidates that compromise are the same as each other.

    I like Ron Paul. I disagree with him only on the war(s). I'd vote for him if it made any sense. It just doesn't.
     

    rambone

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    Since he can't get the Republican nomination, he can only run as an independent. Running as an independent ensures Obama's election.
    I think putting another Establishment Republican on the ballot in 2012 ensures Obama's election. I've laid my case for why Ron Paul can defeat Obama.

    The Primaries are still months away. There is no defeat yet. He's still a contender. Moreso than he was 4 years ago. If all these polls and CPAC are any indicator, he's a strong contender. He's actually getting some media coverage. His GOP competition is more pathetic than ever. Obama has shown that Hope & Change means that nothing will change. Democrats are being inspired to vote for Ron Paul.

    If you vote for anyone else in the primaries, you are ensuring an Obama victory. :):
     
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