DOJ: We can force you to decrypt that laptop

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  • mrjarrell

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    It's not enough that the law enforcement establishment has decimated the 4th Amendment, now they want to go after the 5th Amendment. Par for the course, really. Make things so you have to incriminate yourself, all for their benefit and your loss. Here's hoping a judge has the sense to actually uphold their oath and the Constitutional rights of the person in this case. Not sure I have much faith in that, given the history of the establishment.

    DOJ: We can force you to decrypt that laptop | Privacy Inc. - CNET News
     

    Fletch

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    It's not enough that the law enforcement establishment has decimated the 4th Amendment, now they want to go after the 5th Amendment. Par for the course, really. Make things so you have to incriminate yourself, all for their benefit and your loss. Here's hoping a judge has the sense to actually uphold their oath and the Constitutional rights of the person in this case. Not sure I have much faith in that, given the history of the establishment.

    DOJ: We can force you to decrypt that laptop | Privacy Inc. - CNET News
    What a load of BS. Next they'll be asking you to lend them a gun to shoot you with.
     

    SmileDocHill

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    Am I missing something here. If they have a warrant to search your house they can force you to open it and search it (or they can open it themselves to get access). If they have a warrant to search your computer how is it different that they force you to "open" it as well? I'm not trying to stir the pot but I don't see the difference.
     

    Westside

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    If they want the data that bad just pay a geek to decrypt the laptop. That in my opinion is OK. But saying that you have to give them all of your passwords is not ok. 5th amendment what 5th amendment, I know not what you speak of. Now admit guilt or be burnt at the steak in the town square.
     

    eric001

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    If they want the data that bad just pay a geek to decrypt the laptop. That in my opinion is OK. But saying that you have to give them all of your passwords is not ok. 5th amendment what 5th amendment, I know not what you speak of. Now admit guilt or be burnt at the steak in the town square.
    My thought exactly--just beat me to it! We are under absolutely NO obligation to help the government prove a case against us, whether we are guilty or innocent of the accusations made against us. It is the PROSECUTOR's job to make the case. Therefore, once the laptop has been legally obtained, it can be decrypted...but not by violating the accused's 5th amendment rights. If Colorado is so interested in the contents of that computer, they are at liberty to hire someone with the necessary skills to obtain it. Interesting how this seems to be more of an example of "forgiveness vs. permission" in that they would rather prosecute after violating the 5th, trying to set this as case law precedent and hoping it won't be overturned by a higher court rather than erring on the side of constitutional rights for a citizen.
     

    jbombelli

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    I use Truecrypt with a 25 digit password. You want what's in that container? Go get it. I don't remember the password. Sorry. It was really long, and I never wrote it down, because only idiots write down their passwords. Besides, according to CSI you probably have a guy in your lab that can get into it in 5 minutes.
     

    dross

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    "I don't know what happened. I typed in the code, but it won't let me in. Stupid Microsoft! Maybe I should reboot. Sorry, I sooo wanted to give you the files."
     

    jedi

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    If they want the data that bad just pay a geek to decrypt the laptop.

    Problem is with most of the modern day free and/or commercial encryption software if you give it a nice long password it is not physically possible using the computering power we have to decrypt the data. The possible # of combinations would take all the computers in the world working together several hundred lifetimes over. :D So the "geek route" is useful.


    I use Truecrypt with a 25 digit password. You want what's in that container? Go get it. I don't remember the password. Sorry. It was really long, and I never wrote it down, because only idiots write down their passwords. Besides, according to CSI you probably have a guy in your lab that can get into it in 5 minutes.


    Or better yet use the "container within container" that TrueCypt has. You can have one container with your REAL data and put that inside a second container with data. So when the tech sees that the drive is encrypt and they do force you to give us the password they get the password for the "data container" and never realize that the REAL container with data is still in the hard drive INSIDE the 1st container! MMMUUUUAAAHHHHHH :rockwoot:

    Or be even more evil and encrypt your data inside .BMP image files.
    With HIDE IN PICTURE and looking at the BMP file no one will ever know that it holds data! :yesway:
     

    Magneto

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    Loco179

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    I was sure that a case like this has already been ruled on. It was ruled that you did not have to give them your password.
     

    jedi

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    I was sure that a case like this has already been ruled on. It was ruled that you did not have to give them your password.


    I think that was your password on a cellphone if I recall correctly. They caught a drug dealer and the police wanted to get to his contact list on his phone but could not because it was locked. It went to court I think and it was determined that he did not have to give up the password. But this last part I don't remember.
     

    sdman11890

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    It's insane the levels of encryption you can get for free today, and I really don't see how they can legally force you to unlock it. You say you forgot, and there's no way for them to prove you didn't. "Sorry sir, it's way too long for me to remember. I had it saved on my cell phone but I dropped it in a lake and had to get a new one. I was planning on reformatting this week."

    Problem solved.
     
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