the k9 truth

[serpicostraight]

NHP Troopers Sue Department Over K-9 Program - 8 News NOW

 

[Loco179]

Using RICO against the government is very very interesting. I know it will not stick in a criminal setting but I hope civil. It is funny that they are admitting K9s are being used like that.

 

[Carmelbythecorn]

I am shocked I tell you...shocked!

 

[kludge]

^this^

 

[serpicostraight]

Using RICO against the government is very very interesting. I know it will not stick in a criminal setting but I hope civil. It is funny that they are admitting K9s are being used like that.

i know what you mean. cops telling the truth sent a shiver up my spine. im not sure whether to be proud or nervous.

 

[Loco179]

i know what you mean. cops telling the truth sent a shiver up my spine. im not sure whether to be proud or nervous.

Makes me really nervous that they are admitting to this. What is hidden deep that they know of?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I still think the best way to truncate the nonsense of the Infallible Dog is to make the cops keep batting averages for Officer Chompy.

Right now the cops are testifying that the dogs are perfect and the range of drugs is expanding. I have a heavy presumptiong against new legislation but feel something must be done by the General Assembly on dog sniffs--they are getting silly.

 

[rw496]

I still think the best way to truncate the nonsense of the Infallible Dog is to make the cops keep batting averages for Officer Chompy.

Right now the cops are testifying that the dogs are perfect and the range of drugs is expanding. I have a heavy presumptiong against new legislation but feel something must be done by the General Assembly on dog sniffs--they are getting silly.

That's an impossible task for several reasons. I would still like to hear your proposal though.

 

[jeremy]

That's an impossible task for several reasons. I would still like to hear your proposal though.

Why?!

I keep a record of whether My dogs track well or not and what the conditions of the day are, as well as other stresses to attempt to forcast whether or not my dog will be useful at finding what it is asked to locate. Several Cadaver and Explosive K9 handlers I know do this as well. Why should Drug K9s be any different!?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

That's an impossible task for several reasons.

How is it impossible to write down (or check a box on the screen) when Chompy was deployed and what, if anything, was found?

 

[littletommy]

That's an impossible task for several reasons. I would still like to hear your proposal though.

If it's impossible to keep track of, my proposal would be to do away with them all together. Err on the side of caution maybe?

 

[rw496]

Dealing specifically with drugs and vehicles is different because first, smoking weed in a car for example will cause a dog to indicate positively for the presence of drugs, even though there are no longer drugs in the vehicle. Would that be considered a false indication? Second, in the case of trafficking large amounts, there could have been a large amount in the vehicle hours before and the dog will indicate correctly for the presence of drugs. I took 100 pounds out of a cadillac once and dogs would hit on the car for weeks afterward. Third, in trafficking, I have seen hidden compartments that 99% of cops wouldn't find and there were numerous kilos of cocaine inside. So, just because the cop doesn't find it doesn't mean it isn't there. In each of these cases the dog is doing its job correctly. Probable cause to search a vehicle doesn't mean you know for sure there is dope only that it is probable.
I don't disagree that reform is needed, but you're barking up the wrong tree. A standardized certification through the state is what's need. That way you can certify to a certain degree of proficiency using known, or unknown, amounts and remove the uncertainty of field work.

 

[TaunTaun]

I think he means that it would be impossible under field conditions, to assess whether or not the dog FAILED to pickup a drug scent.

"Excuse me sir, you aren't being detained now or anything, but if I could have a moment of your time please? I'm doing an assessment on my dog and although he didn't indicate that you had any drugs in your possession, could you tell me in a yes or no answer if there was anything here that my good k9 buddy here SHOULD have detected?"

"Yes?"

"Thank you, move along."

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So, how is it impossible to keep track of Chompy's batting average?

It's not impossible, right?

 

[Carmelbythecorn]

With "Chompy" being an available tool for the authorities to use to search seemingly any vehicle they want, what would be the motivation for accountability?

 

[jeremy]

Dealing specifically with drugs and vehicles is different because first, smoking weed in a car for example will cause a dog to indicate positively for the presence of drugs, even though there are no longer drugs in the vehicle. Would that be considered a false indication? Second, in the case of trafficking large amounts, there could have been a large amount in the vehicle hours before and the dog will indicate correctly for the presence of drugs. I took 100 pounds out of a cadillac once and dogs would hit on the car for weeks afterward. Third, in trafficking, I have seen hidden compartments that 99% of cops wouldn't find and there were numerous kilos of cocaine inside. So, just because the cop doesn't find it doesn't mean it isn't there. In each of these cases the dog is doing its job correctly. Probable cause to search a vehicle doesn't mean you know for sure there is dope only that it is probable.
I don't disagree that reform is needed, but you're barking up the wrong tree. A standardized certification through the state is what's need. That way you can certify to a certain degree of proficiency using known, or unknown, amounts and remove the uncertainty of field work.

Absolutely no different than me tracking the hits of an Explosive K9...

Except I do not have a Badge...

 

[Kirk Freeman]

what would be the motivation for accountability?

Money. If the police do not comply, then we take their funding and the dog cannot be the basis of a search, i.e. the dog would be disqualified.

 

[Carmelbythecorn]

Money. If the police do not comply, then we take their funding.

Love it! I agree whole heartedly.

 

[cobber]

If you don't trust the officer, why would you trust the records he keeps on his narcotics stops?

 

[rw496]

Absolutely no different than me tracking the hits of an Explosive K9...

Except I do not have a Badge...

Yeah, I would think that would be the same, except maybe less margin for error on your part.