Discriminatory hiring practices

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I'm sure Indiana doesn't have such low standards. This is not a cop bash thread. I'm posting it to show the chronic discrimination against the people whom Ayn Rand would term "producers."

 

[dross]

There are two issues at work here. One is whether a local community should be free to hire cops with the attributes it wishes, the other is whether it's a good hiring decision not to hire cops with certain attributes that may be desirable in general, but undesirable in police work.

On the first, I think the city should be free to hire whom it wishes. On the other, it may or may not be a good decision. That would depend on the data.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Absolutely discriminatory. Federal standards in which discriminatory concerns are allowed turn on bona fide occupational qualifications. In this case, requiring a person to be intelligent enough to do the job would be a reasonable requirement. In spite of the stated reasons, my guess is that more likely they want people who are willing to do what they are told without thinking too much in terms of becoming conscientious objectors (i.e., good candidates to be JBTs who follow orders, any orders, without questioning them).

 

[CarmelHP]

Absolutely discriminatory. Federal standards in which discriminatory concerns are allowed turn on bona fide occupational qualifications. In this case, requiring a person to be intelligent enough to do the job would be a reasonable requirement. In spite of the stated reasons, my guess is that more likely they want people who are willing to do what they are told without thinking too much in terms of becoming conscientious objectors (i.e., good candidates to be JBTs who follow orders, any orders, without questioning them).

You mean like thugs and goons?

 

[dross]

All hiring practices are discriminatory, by definition. The question is whether the discrimination is effective.

 

[Ironhippie]

Ive had this very thing happen to me..........I was fresh out of the Navy..I had a wife a brand new daughter and we needed to eat, so I was willing to do whatever it took to provide for my family. I saw an ad in the paper for a lawn company that was hiring. I applied and took their test..it was basically figuring up square footage and being able to read measures. I left thinking I was a shoe in, prior military and I knew I had nailed the test. After a week I gave a call to see if they had filled the position yet and to my surprise they had. When I inquired about where my shortcomings were the lady informed me that my only shortcomings were that I was over qualified. I had aced the test and they were looking for people who they could train to do the job and the math. They had hired people like me in the past and those people had only stayed around long enough to find something that challenged them more. She was right. I would have kept looking for a better job that paid more because this job obviously wasnt brain surgery and had a wage that represented that fact......but I needed a job. I dont think it was right but I can understand their position.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Ive had this very thing happen to me..........I was fresh out of the Navy..I had a wife a brand new daughter and we needed to eat, so I was willing to do whatever it took to provide for my family. I saw an ad in the paper for a lawn company that was hiring. I applied and took their test..it was basically figuring up square footage and being able to read measures. I left thinking I was a shoe in, prior military and I knew I had nailed the test. After a week I gave a call to see if they had filled the position yet and to my surprise they had. When I inquired about where my shortcomings were the lady informed me that my only shortcomings were that I was over qualified. I had aced the test and they were looking for people who they could train to do the job and the math. They had hired people like me in the past and those people had only stayed around long enough to find something that challenged them more. She was right. I would have kept looking for a better job that paid more because this job obviously wasnt brain surgery and had a wage that represented that fact......but I needed a job. I dont think it was right but I can understand their position.

I have a lot more sympathy with a private employer with whom I am not required to interact. I have a major problem with the PD hiring dumbasses who will blindly follow orders rather than people who may think enough to question illegal or otherwise harmful orders.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I have been discriminating for 20+ years and will continue until the day I die

 

[Bunnykid68]

Ive had this very thing happen to me..........I was fresh out of the Navy..I had a wife a brand new daughter and we needed to eat, so I was willing to do whatever it took to provide for my family. I saw an ad in the paper for a lawn company that was hiring. I applied and took their test..it was basically figuring up square footage and being able to read measures. I left thinking I was a shoe in, prior military and I knew I had nailed the test. After a week I gave a call to see if they had filled the position yet and to my surprise they had. When I inquired about where my shortcomings were the lady informed me that my only shortcomings were that I was over qualified. I had aced the test and they were looking for people who they could train to do the job and the math. They had hired people like me in the past and those people had only stayed around long enough to find something that challenged them more. She was right. I would have kept looking for a better job that paid more because this job obviously wasnt brain surgery and had a wage that represented that fact......but I needed a job. I dont think it was right but I can understand their position.

That is why when you are desperate for a job you lie. Argued over and over with a friend that was looking for a job and he said McDonalds,BK, and Wendys would not hire him. I asked him what he put on his resume and of course he put down his actual qualifications.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That is why when you are desperate for a job you lie. Argued over and over with a friend that was looking for a job and he said McDonalds,BK, and Wendys would not hire him. I asked him what he put on his resume and of course he put down his actual qualifications.

Based on some of the "engineers" I've interviewed and 1-2 I've hired over the last few years, this strategy is certainly attempted the opposite way.

 

[HotD]

Absolutely discriminatory. Federal standards in which discriminatory concerns are allowed turn on bona fide occupational qualifications. In this case, requiring a person to be intelligent enough to do the job would be a reasonable requirement. In spite of the stated reasons, my guess is that more likely they want people who are willing to do what they are told without thinking too much in terms of becoming conscientious objectors (i.e., good candidates to be JBTs who follow orders, any orders, without questioning them).

Otherwise stated: A lack of reasonable intelligence isn't a bar to employment, an individual with too much demonstrated intelligence will be shown the door before they can even make their way to it.

 

[dross]

You guys make me wonder how I've ever gotten a job.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You guys make me wonder how I've ever gotten a job.

Mistakes happen...

 

[Captain Bligh]

People throw the "discrimination" word around much too freely without understanding what it really means. Discrimination in employment applies to protected classes (e.g. disability, age, race, gender) Having a high IQ is not a protected class under the law.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

People throw the "discrimination" word around much too freely without understanding what it really means. Discrimination in employment applies to protected classes (e.g. disability, age, race, gender) Having a high IQ is not a protected class under the law.

"Discrimination" means precisely as others have used it upthread, demonstrating that those who have used it, understand its proper usage, while you, apparently only understand the politically-correct coinage applied to the word to be used as a hammer to force particular sorts of discrimination on employers and others.

 

[beararms1776]

No, it's more like, hey, I really like this job. Okay, your fired!

 

[HotD]

People throw the "discrimination" word around much too freely without understanding what it really means. Discrimination in employment applies to protected classes (e.g. disability, age, race, gender) Having a high IQ is not a protected class under the law.

Discrimination means exactly how it is defined by Websters.

Though there is lawful discrimination, or as you have pointed out, unlawful discrimination. We all get the fact that while most discrimination may be legal, we just don't have to like it.

 

[CarmelHP]

You guys make me wonder how I've ever gotten a job.

Sorry, dross, you must be dumb as a box of rocks.

 

[HoughMade]

People throw the "discrimination" word around much too freely without understanding what it really means. Illegal discrimination in employment applies to protected classes (e.g. disability, age, race, gender) Having a high IQ is not a protected class under the law.

Fixed it. You are correct. An employer should be discriminating, choosing the people he believes are best suited for the job. We may disagree with the criteria that an employer, police department or otherwise, may use. The criteria may be wise or unwise, but if it's not illegal discrimination as to the protected classes (and some of those are more protected than others) then the market, or electorate, should decide whether the employer was wise or not.

 

[drillsgt]

If departments want to hire idiots I guess it's on them. The only problem is the taxpayers end up picking up the tab when these lowest common denominator hires keep screwing up.