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    Quote Originally Posted by GPIA7R View Post
    Looking for a good thread for this sort of stuff, this thread title seems good enough to fit the needs for a "General Marijuana Thread"

    Rep. Jim Lucas R-Seymour introduces marijuana decriminalization bill
    but until it becomes legal under federal law, your gun rights are in jeopardy!

    on the 4473, the question are you a unlawful user of, or addicted to and lists marijuana and then says use remain illegal under federal law "even if legal for recreational or medicinal use in your state" and if you check yes, you cant buy a gun, and if you check no and get arrested, pulled over at a sobriety check point and tested, or you get recorded buying it at a legal dispensary (cause in Colorado they get you drivers license info) you've lied on a 4473 and remember the fine and jail time up to 5 years in prison. cause all they have to do is check to see if you've got a larry, and if you do, most likely you've got guns, or if a federal prosecutor picks up that you got pulled over under the influence of weed, guess what? yep federal charges and loss of your gun rights

    remember what they tried to do in Hawaii
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    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...fe-as-we-think
    Is Marijuana as Safe as We Think?

    Alex Berenson has written a short manifesto, “Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence.”

    Berenson begins his book with an account of a conversation he had with his wife, a psychiatrist who specializes in treating mentally ill criminals. They were discussing one of the many grim cases that cross her desk—“the usual horror story, somebody who’d cut up his grandmother or set fire to his apartment.” Then his wife said something like “Of course, he was high, been smoking pot his whole life.”

    Of course? I said.

    Yeah, they all smoke.

    Well . . . other things too, right?

    Sometimes. But they all smoke.

    Berenson used to be an investigative reporter for the Times, where he covered, among other things, health care and the pharmaceutical industry. Then he left the paper to write a popular series of thrillers. At the time of his conversation with his wife, he had the typical layman’s view of cannabis, which is that it is largely benign. His wife’s remark alarmed him, and he set out to educate himself.
    The first of Berenson’s questions concerns what has long been the most worrisome point about cannabis: its association with mental illness. Many people with serious psychiatric illness smoke lots of pot. The marijuana lobby typically responds to this fact by saying that pot-smoking is a response to mental illness, not the cause of it—that people with psychiatric issues use marijuana to self-medicate. That is only partly true. In some cases, heavy cannabis use does seem to cause mental illness. As the National Academy panel declared, in one of its few unequivocal conclusions, “Cannabis use is likely to increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and other psychoses; the higher the use, the greater the risk.”
    Berenson’s second question derives from the first. The delusions and paranoia that often accompany psychoses can sometimes trigger violent behavior. If cannabis is implicated in a rise in psychoses, should we expect the increased use of marijuana to be accompanied by a rise in violent crime, as Berenson’s wife suggested? Once again, there is no definitive answer, so Berenson has collected bits and pieces of evidence. For example, in a 2013 paper in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, researchers looked at the results of a survey of more than twelve thousand American high-school students. The authors assumed that alcohol use among students would be a predictor of violent behavior, and that marijuana use would predict the opposite. In fact, those who used only marijuana were three times more likely to be physically aggressive than abstainers were; those who used only alcohol were 2.7 times more likely to be aggressive. Observational studies like these don’t establish causation. But they invite the sort of research that could.


    Berenson looks, too, at the early results from the state of Washington, which, in 2014, became the first U.S. jurisdiction to legalize recreational marijuana. Between 2013 and 2017, the state’s murder and aggravated-assault rates rose forty per cent—twice the national homicide increase and four times the national aggravated-assault increase. We don’t know that an increase in cannabis use was responsible for that surge in violence. Berenson, though, finds it strange that, at a time when Washington may have exposed its population to higher levels of what is widely assumed to be a calming substance, its citizens began turning on one another with increased aggression.
    It's a good read from a novel source/perspective

    Cue the 'It's Reefer Madness II' comparisons
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugI02 View Post
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...fe-as-we-think
    Is Marijuana as Safe as We Think?

    It's a good read from a novel source/perspective

    Cue the 'It's Reefer Madness II' comparisons
    My perspective is that it doesn't matter if it's safe or not. Even if one hit could kill a person, I'd still want it to be legalized. There are lots of harmful substances out there, there is no reason to create a black market for this one.
    The problems created by providing a black market for criminals far outweigh any issues associated with pot use.


    There are many vices in the world and it's not any government's job to save anyone from any of them.

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    It’s inevitable but knowing Indiana we will be the last ones to legalize it 30 years after everyone else. Then and only when it’s coupled with the “Ban Alcohol on Sundays” and “Move Indiana To No Daylight Savings” bills get packaged with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by What's The Frequency View Post
    It’s inevitable but knowing Indiana we will be the last ones to legalize it 30 years after everyone else. Then and only when it’s coupled with the “Ban Alcohol on Sundays” and “Move Indiana To No Daylight Savings” bills get packaged with it.


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    Better yet - legalize weed and criminalize narcan

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    With Michigan legalizing, Indiana is going to have it flowing in like crazy once the recreational shops open, there going to eventually have to do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patriot574 View Post
    With Michigan legalizing, Indiana is going to have it flowing in like crazy once the recreational shops open, there going to eventually have to do something.
    Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that "something" won't involve giving up a practice that has been proven ineffective (prohibition) many times over. It'll more likely be an increase in police militarization, asset forfeiture, and harassment of travelers near the state border(s).
    Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Proverbs 18:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by patriot574 View Post
    With Michigan legalizing, Indiana is going to have it flowing in like crazy once the recreational shops open, there going to eventually have to do something.
    You mean check points and ogs and such.

    Before this is pressure to legalize, it's a revenue stream for local court systems.
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