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    Legalization of Marijuana?

    Personally, I think it is time to end the drug wars and legalize the garbage folks want to use. Let them destroy their lives. It is freedom. Come or go, buy or sell, be drunk or sober. Be stupid or be wise. Their call.

    As we consider legalization of marijuana, and the "it's no worse than alcohol" argument, there are other factors to consider. Chuck Norris has some interesting and compelling thoughts on the issue.

    Chuck Norris smokes marijuana debate

    I hope it generates some reasonable interaction, not potheads bashing the establishment or rednecks spouting off about stupid druggies.

    Please keep it respectable and address the pros and cons of the issue with all the wisdom of CC vs. OC debates——well, maybe, on second thought, we can do better than that!
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    Don't legalize decriminalize.

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    It doesn't matter what the pros and cons are. The federal government does not have any lawful right to outlaw the possession or consumption of drugs.

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    Whole beatus toast, organic peanut butter and a beetus-nana?! That's an awful way to start the day. Ironically, bull**** myths like that likely cause people to be deficient in certain vitamins and minerals because they're not eating nutrient dense foods, so they instead turn to drugs to make themselves feel "normal". At least he didn't ignorantly assert that marijuana has no medicinal qualities like those morons Guttfeld and Gavin McGuiness did on O'Reilly that one night. Because they know, they've done.. uh, NO research on the subject . Anyone else notice that most of the self-proclaimed anti-marijuana "experts" that think they know everything about the subject are the least qualified to weigh in? I'm supposed to listen to someone who hates it, wants nothing to do with it, couldn't be more close minded and assume they're being even the least bit objective in their thinking? Because if anyone is likely going to have a trustworthy and meaningful opinion on the subject, it's obviously going to be one of those types, right? No different from bloomberg telling people you can't have salt and big gulps. Is there any wonder why the 'tarians say there's no qualitative difference between conservatives and liberals? One wants to use big govt to control some aspects of your life, the other wants to use big govt to control the other aspects of your life. "Limited government, unless it's for something I like." -limited govt conservatives
    Why don't we just pass a law making it illegal to break the law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodFearinGunTotin View Post
    I'll have some as well.
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    How many say that we should legalize marijuana in order to tax it? Yet what I hear most pot smokers really saying is that they want to legally grow to avoid taxes! In fact the reason that marijuana is illegal is a tax. The law is written in such a way that you have to have a tax stamp in order to possess pot. But you can not get the stamp unless you possess the pot already. Thus it is illegal as you can never get the stamp without committing a crime of not paying the tax.

    So how do we make marijuana legal? At the federal level allow growing by regulated farms. Then only allow regulated manufacturing of product with tax stamps on the final product. In other words, the tobacco model. Keep it less expensive than street prices but high enough to raise taxes. As we saw in Colorado, prices in the shops were high.

    With respect to dangerous drugs like heroin, crack, meth let us have state operated clinics where you can buy all that you need at far less than street price but high enough to cover costs. However you can only use it in the clinic under medical supervision. You will be treated like you are mentally ill. This is the Swiss model.

    What you are not going to get is free and open system.

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    It seems like the states legalizing or decriminalizing are saying...Here's your pot, now hand over the gun rights. And when it comes time to fill out a 4473, how will you fill out question (e):

    e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
    While the state may have made it lawful to use, the feds have not. And what is considered to be addicted to MJ? Some say it's not addictive, others say it is. But the FEDS have the final word because you are filling out a federal document. Until the feds take cannabis off of the schedule 1 list, it wouldn't be a good idea to 'partake' in a legal state.

    One could come to the conclusion that state legalization is playing right into the hands of the feds...and they know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trooper View Post
    How many say that we should legalize marijuana in order to tax it? Yet what I hear most pot smokers really saying is that they want to legally grow to avoid taxes! In fact the reason that marijuana is illegal is a tax. The law is written in such a way that you have to have a tax stamp in order to possess pot. But you can not get the stamp unless you possess the pot already. Thus it is illegal as you can never get the stamp without committing a crime of not paying the tax.

    So how do we make marijuana legal? At the federal level allow growing by regulated farms. Then only allow regulated manufacturing of product with tax stamps on the final product. In other words, the tobacco model. Keep it less expensive than street prices but high enough to raise taxes. As we saw in Colorado, prices in the shops were high.

    With respect to dangerous drugs like heroin, crack, meth let us have state operated clinics where you can buy all that you need at far less than street price but high enough to cover costs. However you can only use it in the clinic under medical supervision. You will be treated like you are mentally ill. This is the Swiss model.

    What you are not going to get is free and open system.

    LOL.

    How many pot smokers do you hang out with? I can assure you the vast majority will not be growing their own. It's too time intensive and too much hassle to keep yourself in a steady supply when you can just run down to the local liquor and weed store and buy a bag, know it's going to be good quality, and based on what I saw in Colorado regarding pricing (including taxes) it's no more than what people are already paying for serious, high-end bud.

    I grew my own through much of the 90's. I quit smoking it (and growing it) in 2001 when my first son was born. Responsibility is a heavy responsibility.
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    The war on drugs has been a roaring failure, easily topping prohibition for stupidity. Doesn't matter if you advocate the use of weed or not, what we have done has been a terrible waste of resources.

    As I always advocate, get the Fed out of our daily lives and let the states sort it out, but for crying-out-loud stop wasting so many resources!
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