Chinese terra-forming in the South China Sea

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  • T.Lex

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    Obama: China 'using muscle' to dominate in South China Sea - BBC News
    On Thursday a US think tank released images showing land reclamation work on a reef claimed by the Philippines.
    China says the work is needed to safeguard its sovereignty.
    China claims almost the whole of the South China Sea, resulting in overlapping claims with several other Asian nations including Vietnam and the Philippines.
    They say China is illegally reclaiming land in contested areas to create artificial islands with facilities that could potentially be for military use.
    Images have emerged of work in multiple areas in the Spratly islands, which several nations claim.

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    And the related article:
    Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative | Mischief Reef

    Short form: in matters of international relations, might still makes right.
     

    findingZzero

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    Our stick is still huge. Sometimes it makes sense to walk softly. The last time things made sense was WW2 and after (if 60 million deaths can make sense). We haven't diminished as much as the rest of the world has caught up. We have to find a better way to move forward. Ball size is only one option.
     

    zippy23

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    Our stick is still huge. Sometimes it makes sense to walk softly. The last time things made sense was WW2 and after (if 60 million deaths can make sense). We haven't diminished as much as the rest of the world has caught up. We have to find a better way to move forward. Ball size is only one option.

    Just curious, how? We've left the middle east with a small force in afghanistan. Countries are falling apart in that entire region. North Korea continues to move forward, Iran is going to get the bomb. Our economy is hilarious now, we are 18 trillion in debt. The only thing going is oil is traded in the dollar, which wont matter for long. China's economy is huge, cant remember if they passed us yet or are about to. Our gov't does not function since the democrats will do nothing with the republicans. Our enemies laugh at us while they build the bomb they say they will use to destroy us. 92 million americans not working........our gov't not even willing to call our enemies by what they really are. So again, how have we not diminished while the world around us laughs at us?
     

    drop45

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    Our stick is still huge. Sometimes it makes sense to walk softly. The last time things made sense was WW2 and after (if 60 million deaths can make sense). We haven't diminished as much as the rest of the world has caught up. We have to find a better way to move forward. Ball size is only one option.

    If one is going to project big balls he surely needs a big stick, for balance if nothing else.
     

    findingZzero

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    Just curious, how? We've left the middle east with a small force in afghanistan. Countries are falling apart in that entire region. North Korea continues to move forward, Iran is going to get the bomb. Our economy is hilarious now, we are 18 trillion in debt. The only thing going is oil is traded in the dollar, which wont matter for long. China's economy is huge, cant remember if they passed us yet or are about to. Our gov't does not function since the democrats will do nothing with the republicans. Our enemies laugh at us while they build the bomb they say they will use to destroy us. 92 million americans not working........our gov't not even willing to call our enemies by what they really are. So again, how have we not diminished while the world around us laughs at us?

    This laughing you hear, is it late at night, or all day. There are drugs for that ;).

    What would you suggest? Bombing the s***t out of everybody doesn't work as well as it use to (when it made some sense). Jump into a Sunni/Shia war? We have to compete in a global franchise now. Our complacency and skills have not prepared us for that. Gridlock has prevented solutions. On this I can agree.

    What do you suggest?

    Btw, the incentive for the early bird to get the early worm has resulted in the worm learning to sleep late.
     
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    Back in the day there were guys who scared everybody else in the world right down to their socks. Both brought death to an unimaginable scale and we all made it through the cold war because of their contributions.
     

    T.Lex

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    And they have a runway:
    Images show rapid Chinese progress on new South China Sea airstrip | Reuters

    Recent satellite images published on Thursday show China has made rapid progress in building an airstrip suitable for military use in contested territory in the South China Sea's Spratly Islands and may be planning another, moves that have been greeted with concern in the United States and Asia.

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    At a seminar in Washington on Thursday, China's ambassador to the United States, Cui Tiankai, said it was "natural" that its reclamation work would include military defense facilities.
    He said there "should be no illusion that anyone could impose on China a unilateral status quo" or "repeatedly violate China's sovereignty without consequences."
     

    GodFearinGunTotin

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    We need to check that they've done all the necessary environmental impact studies, taken the proper wildlife impact mitigation measures, obtained the proper permits, etc...that ought to slow them down.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    Just curious, how? We've left the middle east with a small force in afghanistan. Countries are falling apart in that entire region. North Korea continues to move forward, Iran is going to get the bomb. Our economy is hilarious now, we are 18 trillion in debt. The only thing going is oil is traded in the dollar, which wont matter for long. China's economy is huge, cant remember if they passed us yet or are about to. Our gov't does not function since the democrats will do nothing with the republicans. Our enemies laugh at us while they build the bomb they say they will use to destroy us. 92 million americans not working........our gov't not even willing to call our enemies by what they really are. So again, how have we not diminished while the world around us laughs at us?

    So?
    maybe we will keep our sticks in our pants, and only use if when our legitimate interests are at stake. Why should I care about Arabs killing Arabs? Why should I care about China's claims, when Manilla rallied for years to kick us out of Subic Bay? North Korea, meh. Iran, meh. Let them do what they like in their own countries.
     
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