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  • thunderchicken

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    Ok my daughter is doing a paper for school.
    She has to write a paper about gun control laws, using "credible sources".
    Here is the topic description from the teacher-

    "Many countries have firm gun control laws and low instances of gun violence, should The United States mirror world views on individual gun laws"

    This essay has to compare and contrast 5 different countries to determine if we should mirror any of their laws. The countries chosen are
    Australia
    US
    Germany
    Finland
    UK.

    So it's time for us to work on our googlefu and help my daughter write an educated essay with facts that aren't swayed by the left.
     

    actaeon277

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    None of them have the Second Amendment, so there's no real comparison.

    I agree with the "there's no real comparison".
    North Korea has very few cars per person. It's accident rate with cars is less than the US.
    Should we then emulate North Korea and eliminate car except for the rich or well placed in government?

    If guns are so bad, why do many of the people calling for gun bans have armed guards?

    Since guns are already here, how do you get rid of them? Criminals disobey the law, so only criminals would then have guns?
    Also, cities can't keep guns out, and they have small borders. How do you then keep guns out of the country when its borders are so much larger?

    Why do people talk about "gun violence"? If someone is stabbed to death, is that better?



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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
    Bill Whittle, "Number One With a Bullet"
    Some good stats listed here.
     

    actaeon277

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    Ok my daughter is doing a paper for school.
    She has to write a paper about gun control laws, using "credible sources".
    Here is the topic description from the teacher-

    "Many countries have firm gun control laws and low instances of gun violence, should The United States mirror world views on individual gun laws"

    This essay has to compare and contrast 5 different countries to determine if we should mirror any of their laws. The countries chosen are
    Australia
    US
    Germany
    Finland
    UK.


    So it's time for us to work on our googlefu and help my daughter write an educated essay with facts that aren't swayed by the left.


    Australia
    US
    Germany
    Finland
    UK.
    If you're going to compare these countries, you should look at their total "violence", not just their "gun violence".
    And make sure that you look at "per person" or "per capita". Since our country has more people than those countries, it's numbers will be higher if population isn't accounted for.


    Another note, you have to be careful comparing between countries. Because there are hundreds (or thousands) of other variables to take into account. Each society is different.
    One instance. Japan has very, very few guns per person compared to the US. Yet is suicide rate is WAY higher than ours. Most of the deaths from guns are suicides. Would those people give up and not kill themselves? Japan's rate of suicide says differently.
     

    snorko

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    I do not accept the premise of the question. The teacher has biased the outcome. Those countries are cherry picked. Mexico has very strict gun laws and a huge firearms death rate. Same with many other countries not so homogenous as those chosen above.

    Also, comparison should be made of overall murder rates. Yes, we rank very high / #1 or so in "gun deaths" (I hate that term) but we are like #105 in the overall murder rate. Liberals don't care if you're killed as long as you're not shot.
     

    PhxCollier

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    An August 2013 CDC report looked at rates for gun homicides in the 50 most populous metropolitan areas. It found that for 2009-2010, the top gun murder rate areas were, in order: New Orleans, Memphis, Detroit, Birmingham, St. Louis, Baltimore, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Philadelphia and Chicago.
    Six of those cities are in states with poor scores for their gun laws, while the other four get a “C” or better. Chicago, which placed last in the top 10, had a ban on handguns at the time. There’s no discernible pattern among those cities, nor clear or convincing evidence in these statistics that shows more gun laws lead to more or less gun crime.



    https://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-laws-deaths-and-crimes/
     

    KellyinAvon

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    Couldn't help but notice Honduras was not on the list. Nor Brazil, Russia... Look at violent crime rates in Australia after a the ban.
     

    Bigtanker

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    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm

    Right from the CDC itself. Gun laws don't make any difference.

    Results
    The systematic review development team identified 51 studies that evaluated the effects of selected firearms laws on violence and met the inclusion criteria for this review. No study was excluded because of limitations in design or execution. Information on violent outcomes was available in 48 studies, and the remaining three studies, which provided information on counts or proportions of regulated firearms used in crime, were used as supplementary evidence. Several studies examined more than one type of firearm law.

    Several separate studies evaluated effects of the same law in the same populations during overlapping time periods. Such studies were considered nonindependent, and effect estimates from the best study in the group (as determined by the quality of design and execution and the length of the follow-up period) were chosen to represent the effects of the intervention. The total number of studies for each intervention, and the number of studies that actually contributed effect estimates to the body of evidence, are listed (Table). More extensive evidence tables will be available at http://www.thecommunityguide.org when the full evidence review is published.

    Evidence was insufficient to determine the effectiveness of any of these laws for the following reasons.
     

    JettaKnight

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    None of them have the Second Amendment, so there's no real comparison.

    Indeed.

    Three of those countries are European with a different history and current mindset. They're much more in favor of regulation and promoting societal harmony.

    They've chosen what's right for them. Rick Steves, the European travel expert, said in a talk that if we could get rid of every gun, we could be safer; but we could also be safer if we drove at 30 MPH on the highway - hell no!




    The other one, Australia, is a former prison colony filled with dirty people that wear ridiculous shoes and talk with a grating accent.
     

    jedi

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    You guys are going at this all wrong.
    The girl is NOT suppose to go against the "teachers bias" otherwise she will be singled out, graded harder and punished. Its best to "follow the crowd" here and give the teacher want s/he wants. Teach your child the truth and to learn to know when to hide in plain sight.
     
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