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  • Trigger Time

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    We have other great military minds. I love the General but he wasnt the best secretary of defense this country has ever had. Also I disagree that we needed him more than President Trump.
     

    ghuns

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    We have other great military minds...

    But how many that will see the way Trump disregarded Mattis's advice and say, yeah, that's a job I want.:rolleyes:

    Given the difficulty in filling the chief of staff job, what's the over/under on how long it takes to find a new SecDef?

    How long before Trump floats Jared Kushner's name for the position?:laugh:
     

    KellyinAvon

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    The man once said, "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet." We may never see another like him.

    SecDef is the principle advisor to the President on defense matters. President Trump ran on keeping us out of nation-building. Get the 2.2K troops the hell out of Syria seems to follow a campaign promise. The SecDef disagreed, a split occurred. When you think about it, it should work this way.

    I can understand why he's stepping down and of course it's a bit in the future. The man is a professional and will allow for a replacement to be in the pipeline before he steps away. (How's this confirmation hearing going to go??) The next SecDef will have big shoes to fill, but you can bet it won't be a Les Aspin, a Mumbles Hagel, an Ash Carter, or anyone else less qualified to be SecDef than I am.
     

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    ...SecDef is the principle advisor to the President on defense matters. President Trump ran on keeping us out of nation-building. Get the 2.2K troops the hell out of Syria seems to follow a campaign promise. The SecDef disagreed, a split occurred. When you think about it, it should work this way.

    Months ago, Bolton advocated keeping those troops there as a stick in the eye to Iran.

    Mattis advocated to remove them when certain goals were met.

    Trump agreed with Mattis.

    So far, only one of those goals have been met, defeating ISIS.

    Trump calls Mattis last week and says, screw it, pull them now.

    Trump's compulsive impulse to disregard the advice and counsel of his advisors, especially one who has forgotten more than he'll ever know about foreign policy and military matters, and substitute his own judgement is beyond stupid.:rolleyes:
     

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    But how many that will see the way Trump disregarded Mattis's advice and say, yeah, that's a job I want.:rolleyes:

    Given the difficulty in filling the chief of staff job, what's the over/under on how long it takes to find a new SecDef?

    How long before Trump floats Jared Kushner's name for the position?:laugh:
    Ann Coulter for sec def! :rockwoot:
     

    T.Lex

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    Much respect for Mattis (not something that was ever in doubt, really). Unlike so many political appointees at that level, who might work to undercut the executive that they disagree with, he's leaving.
     

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    Much respect for Mattis (not something that was ever in doubt, really). Unlike so many political appointees at that level, who might work to undercut the executive that they disagree with, he's leaving.
    Mattis is is a man of Honor not an underhanded back stabber. That’s the difference.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    I'll wait and see who the next SoD is before getting concerned. Seven hundred days is average for a SoD. Link connects to a chart illustrating that Mattis' tenure was no shorter than is typical:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/almostjingo/status/1075888580554240000

    You're looking at this in a vacuum. Mattis's tenure maybe comparable to others, but he is yet another person jumping ship from this administration. Collectively how many administrations have seen such turnover? Further, how many cabinet members from other administrations have FLAT said that they were leaving do to a difference of opinion with the president? Between people getting fired (mostly Kelly-not Trump BTW), and people resigning, who is left steering the ship? At some point, even some of the "true believers," are going to have to ask themselves how long this circus is going to last.
     

    mmpsteve

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    You're looking at this in a vacuum. Mattis's tenure maybe comparable to others, but he is yet another person jumping ship from this administration. Collectively how many administrations have seen such turnover? Further, how many cabinet members from other administrations have FLAT said that they were leaving do to a difference of opinion with the president? Between people getting fired (mostly Kelly-not Trump BTW), and people resigning, who is left steering the ship? At some point, even some of the "true believers," are going to have to ask themselves how long this circus is going to last.

    I lived through eight years of circus, recently, along with the scary circus clown; I believe it will all be just fine. You wait and see.

    p.s. : Maybe Obama didn't have the same turnover, because all his crony's were in lockstep with his socialistic beliefs. Think about it.

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    Is it just me, or does working 12 hour days and being blamed for everything wrong in the DoD not sound too appealing? Plus the job is in DC, yuck.
     

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    I lived through eight years of circus, recently, along with the scary circus clown; I believe it will all be just fine. You wait and see.

    p.s. : Maybe Obama didn't have the same turnover, because all his crony's were in lockstep with his socialistic beliefs. Think about it.

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    I don't think you did. The "circus" you're talking about, concerning Obama, I would bet was primarily based on a difference of political ideologies, not a legitimate belief that the administration was internally dysfunctional, and inept. If I'm wrong, I'd be interested to see you cite instances, where you believed the previous administration had difficulties because of inner turmoil and capability, as compared to the current administration. Agree with him, and his policies, or not, Obama ran his WH infinitely better than this current one.
    When I say "circus," and clown car" in reference to this current administration, it's giving a nod to the idea that people in the WH seem aimless; lacking direction, ability, cohesiveness, and shared purpose.
     

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    Is it just me, or does working 12 hour days and being blamed for everything wrong in the DoD not sound too appealing? Plus the job is in DC, yuck.

    I'd expect the only people seriously consider taking the job, are young guys looking to make a name, or someone old, in the twilight of their political career. I do wonder however, can a president order an active-duty general to become SoD?
     

    mmpsteve

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    I don't think you did. The "circus" you're talking about, concerning Obama, I would bet was primarily based on a difference of political ideologies, not a legitimate belief that the administration was internally dysfunctional, and inept. If I'm wrong, I'd be interested to see you cite instances, where you believed the previous administration had difficulties because of inner turmoil and capability, as compared to the current administration. Agree with him, and his policies, or not, Obama ran his WH infinitely better than this current one.
    When I say "circus," and clown car" in reference to this current administration, it's giving a nod to the idea that people in the WH seem aimless; lacking direction, ability, cohesiveness, and shared purpose.

    1. Yes, big difference on political (and economic) ideology.

    2. Yes, I find Louis Lerner, Eric Holder, James Comey, John Brennan, etc... to be dysfunctional and inept

    3. I will stipulate to the fact that Obama's crew had some abilities, cohesiveness and shared purpose in the Socialistic, Anti-American agenda.

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    ghuns

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