Colorado Senate Passes Bill to Circumvent Electoral College

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    "It would require Colorado Electors to the Electoral College to cast their vote for the winner of the national popular vote. Currently, Colorado electors vote for the candidate who wins in Colorado."

    https://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Colorado-Senate-passes-bill-to-essentially-eliminate-Electoral-College-505347951.html








     

    Leadeye

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    The result of this will be a small group of big cities picking the president every election. The Illinois/Chicago model run on a national scale. No reason to even campaign, just go to the corrupt machine that runs those big cities and buy the vote, the rest of the country won't matter.
     

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    Looks like, predictably, the states that are going for this are socialist states. Their votes would go for the Dems anyway. Please correct me if I am missing something.
     

    Herr Vogel

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    The result of this will be a small group of big cities picking the president every election. The Illinois/Chicago model run on a national scale. No reason to even campaign, just go to the corrupt machine that runs those big cities and buy the vote, the rest of the country won't matter.

    That's the worst case scenario, yes.
    On the other hand, even hardline blue states turn solid red once you leave the urban blocs. Illinois outside of Chicago, New York outside of NYC, California outside of SF/LA. Traditionally, these voters are disincentivised to participate, why bother when you know your state's going to carry the other guy no matter what? If something like this were to be implemented, you would see a spike in voter participation among these demographics, as their choice would actually have an impact on the election as a whole.

    Or maybe I'm a delusional optimist grasping for the smallest glimmer of hope, who knows.
     

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    That's the worst case scenario, yes.
    On the other hand, even hardline blue states turn solid red once you leave the urban blocs. Illinois outside of Chicago, New York outside of NYC, California outside of SF/LA. Traditionally, these voters are disincentivised to participate, why bother when you know your state's going to carry the other guy no matter what? If something like this were to be implemented, you would see a spike in voter participation among these demographics, as their choice would actually have an impact on the election as a whole.

    Or maybe I'm a delusional optimist grasping for the smallest glimmer of hope, who knows.

    Good point. It could backfire on the socialists pushing for it.

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    doddg

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    People have been bashing the Electoral College for as long as I have been teaching: 5 different decades but soon to come to an end.
    I have always said, "Be careful what you wish for."
    Some don't realize the danger of having people who live in huge concentrations (large cities) should not be deciding the fate of the nation.
    And yes, I'm hinting that those living in less dense areas have more sanity anyway. :)
     

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    Sounds like people want to throw away their vote.
    EC votes for whoever win the popular vote?
    What happens when your state then votes AGAINST the popular vote. Now your state ignores its constituents?
     

    actaeon277

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    People have been bashing the Electoral College for as long as I have been teaching: 5 different decades but soon to come to an end.
    I have always said, "Be careful what you wish for."
    Some don't realize the danger of having people who live in huge concentrations (large cities) should not be deciding the fate of the nation.
    And yes, I'm hinting that those living in less dense areas have more sanity anyway. :)

    Be careful what you wish for...
    That applies to SO MUCH.
     

    Leadeye

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    That's the worst case scenario, yes.
    On the other hand, even hardline blue states turn solid red once you leave the urban blocs. Illinois outside of Chicago, New York outside of NYC, California outside of SF/LA. Traditionally, these voters are disincentivised to participate, why bother when you know your state's going to carry the other guy no matter what? If something like this were to be implemented, you would see a spike in voter participation among these demographics, as their choice would actually have an impact on the election as a whole.

    Or maybe I'm a delusional optimist grasping for the smallest glimmer of hope, who knows.

    I would really like to believe that, people would get disgusted by the corruption and turn the big machines out of power. Big machines stay in power though by providing benefits to those who work with them, absorbing organized opposition by buying it out. At the top of every machine is a powerful law firm, keeping at least a veneer of legality on machine activities. At the end of it all you will have a handful of people in control of these law firms that pick the president.
     

    actaeon277

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    And it goes on and on. People okay with losing rights.

    [video=youtube;zOZr9DD0gMg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOZr9DD0gMg[/video]
     

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    Do people realize that this would effectively undermine the purpose of a Federal system of states?
     

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    This violates the spirit of the Constitution, not the text, even by originalists standards. I paraphrase, the electors are selected in a manner dictated by the states.

    Sorry, nice thought...

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    I don't pretend to be a constitutional scholar, but I read that as the electors (people) are selected (chosen to be electors - again, people) in a manner dictated by the states. I don't read that as "the electors will be directed to cast their votes in a manner dictated by the states". In theory, the electors can override the popular vote within their state, but rarely, if ever have done so. This new proposal would basically be saying that even if 100% of the voters in Indiana (for example) voted for candidate A, but these large metropolitan areas voted for candidate B, then Indiana's electors MUST vote for candidate B. And nobody sees a problem with that from a constitutional standpoint?

    There is a reason that each state gets 2 senators, regardless of population, while representatives are allocated by population. It's a checks and balances type of thing. I see the electoral college in the same manner.
     
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