The Unlucky 13, States Vote To End Electoral College

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  • Ingomike

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    Now they are up to 13 states as New Mexico, with 5 votes, has now joined recent passing in Colorado in approving the compact.

    They now have 181 votes with the addition of DC's 3 votes. On their way to 270 votes...


    Here are the other states that have signed the the National Popular Vote into law:



     

    Ingomike

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    Seems pretty clear that this Electoral College agreement is not allowed as it is an alliance or confederation...

    U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 10


    No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”
     

    KittySlayer

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    What I find amazing is that two lifelong politicians (Hillary and Gore) who were intimately familiar with running presidential campaigns and counting the numbers failed to campaign in such a way that would allow them to win the Electoral College and the presidency. If a novice politician like Trump is able to figure it out then why couldn't the professionals?
     

    Ingomike

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    What I find amazing is that two lifelong politicians (Hillary and Gore) who were intimately familiar with running presidential campaigns and counting the numbers failed to campaign in such a way that would allow them to win the Electoral College and the presidency. If a novice politician like Trump is able to figure it out then why couldn't the professionals?

    That is a point rarely made. My answer would be, they were in a echo chamber bubble and it is just unimaginable that anyone would disagree with their world view. If one would share a bourbon or cigar with Al, and who on the he77 would want to, he would likely be incredulous that so many folks are resistant to his Superman plan to save the world.
     

    BigBoxaJunk

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    What I find amazing is that two lifelong politicians (Hillary and Gore) who were intimately familiar with running presidential campaigns and counting the numbers failed to campaign in such a way that would allow them to win the Electoral College and the presidency. If a novice politician like Trump is able to figure it out then why couldn't the professionals?

    I'm not sure that Trump won by figuring anything out. I think he was just the right guy at the right time.

    But, that doesn't diminish his accomplishment in my mind. By being "The President that wasn't Hillary Clinton", I think the man deserves to be on Mt. Rushmore (only kind-of kidding).
     

    chipbennett

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    The residents of the smaller states must be complete idiots for voting in favor of the NPV. For the larger states, it makes perfect sense because it consolidates their electoral power.

    I suspect that the voters in these states would have grounds for a class-action constitutional challenge to implementation of NPV, in the case that Candidate A wins the popular vote in their state, but Candidate B gets the electoral votes due to winning the federal popular vote.
     

    BigBoxaJunk

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    I read an article that said Hillary's popular vote win was almost exclusively due to her success in California.

    If there was no Electoral College, would Midwestern states even know that an election was happening?
     

    HubertGummer

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    I will find it absolutely hilarious when a Republican wins the popular vote and all these libral states have to give their electoral votes the the Republican.
     

    HoughMade

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    There is not second level thinking going on here. It is reptilian stimulus-response.

    We won’t the popular vote and lost the electoral college- therefore the electoral college must go.

    No arguments about the brilliance of republican government and protecting minority rights (ironically) need be considered.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    Seems pretty clear that this Electoral College agreement is not allowed as it is an alliance or confederation...

    U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 10


    No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”

    I don't think the above applies in the way you believe. If it did, then there would be a whole LOT of stuff that would be prohibited. Interstate compacts, for a variety of things, are pretty pervasive.
     

    ArcadiaGP

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    There is not second level thinking going on here. It is reptilian stimulus-response.

    We won the popular vote and lost the electoral college- therefore the electoral college must go.

    Ignoring the difference between an EC election and a PV election. Neither candidate ran a PV election, which involves much different strategy, as well as turn-out.

    The entire argument for PV is reactionary, whiny nonsense.
     

    spec4

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    How about we let these states secede all at once? They could call themselves the Peoples Socialist States of America. The only kicker would be that once they secede, they can't come back and immigration would be very tightly restricted.
     

    CampingJosh

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    The entire argument for PV is reactionary, whiny nonsense.

    The argument for a popular vote election is basically buyer's remorse.

    The electoral college system was a compromise that the high-population states made in order to convince the low-population states to agree to the Constitution. Everyone understood that the system was overweighing the populace of the small states; that was the express purpose of the system.

    But now the larger states are upset that they don't get the power that they expressly and knowingly ceded in order to convince the smaller states to join in the formation of a powerful federal government.

    Buyer's remorse. Too bad. Especially for New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Virginia, who were part of making the deal originally.
     

    chipbennett

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    The argument for a popular vote election is basically buyer's remorse.

    The electoral college system was a compromise that the high-population states made in order to convince the low-population states to agree to the Constitution. Everyone understood that the system was overweighing the populace of the small states; that was the express purpose of the system.

    But now the larger states are upset that they don't get the power that they expressly and knowingly ceded in order to convince the smaller states to join in the formation of a powerful federal government.

    Buyer's remorse. Too bad. Especially for New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Virginia, who were part of making the deal originally.

    I don't think that's all that the Electoral College system was for. It is a compromise between more and less-populous states; however, more importantly: the federal government was intended to be a republican form of government. The United States was set up as a constitutional republic of sovereign states. The scope and role of the federal government was to interact with the several states, not with the individual citizens of the several states. The system was intended for the several, sovereign states to elect the president - not for the individual citizens of the several states to elect the president.

    In that regard, the EC was actually more of a concession to the most populous states, since a truly republican federal government would give one electoral vote to each state.
     

    churchmouse

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    The residents of the smaller states must be complete idiots for voting in favor of the NPV. For the larger states, it makes perfect sense because it consolidates their electoral power.

    I suspect that the voters in these states would have grounds for a class-action constitutional challenge to implementation of NPV, in the case that Candidate A wins the popular vote in their state, but Candidate B gets the electoral votes due to winning the federal popular vote.

    So these states are willing to stand by and watch as the higher populated areas set the tone. Seems like a knee jerk after shooting oneself in the foot. Brilliant. Just brilliant.
     

    Leadeye

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    At the end of all this will be elections decided by big law firms that run political machines. Voting will be an illusion because the machine counts the votes.
     

    Hayseed_40

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    Seems pretty clear that this Electoral College agreement is not allowed as it is an alliance or confederation...

    U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 10


    No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”

    WTF? My Title of Nobility is not valid??
     

    GIJEW

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    Ignoring the difference between an EC election and a PV election. Neither candidate ran a PV election, which involves much different strategy, as well as turn-out.

    The entire argument for PV is reactionary, whiny nonsense.
    The PV argument, in itself, is whiny nonsense but the argument is dead serious and the people making it are calculating, cynical, power grabbing, socialists. And to hedge their bets, they've made CA a sanctuary state and issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens so they can register to vote while they're at the BMV
     

    GREEN607

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    I don't think that's all that the Electoral College system was for. It is a compromise between more and less-populous states; however, more importantly: the federal government was intended to be a republican form of government. The United States was set up as a constitutional republic of sovereign states. The scope and role of the federal government was to interact with the several states, not with the individual citizens of the several states. The system was intended for the several, sovereign states to elect the president - not for the individual citizens of the several states to elect the president.

    In that regard, the EC was actually more of a concession to the most populous states, since a truly republican federal government would give one electoral vote to each state.

    You are actually quite the learned man, and I am duly impressed.
     
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