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  • Ingomike

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    Andrew Klavan has an excellent description of the situation on the ground, the left is fighting not a war of ideas as a democratic representative republic should, but a physical war for terrain. They are physically controlling the virtual terrain of the Internet town square, college campuses, etc. by physically restraining speech and ideas. In the last thoughts he shares how President Trump is fighting that physical war that many cannot even see...

    KLAVAN: What Donald Trump Knows That Conservative Intellectuals Don't

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    Every war is two wars, a war of ideas and a war for terrain. The war of ideas is won by argument and demonstrations of good will. The war for terrain is won by brute force.
    Democracy is not supposed to be a war. It’s supposed to be all ideas all the time. You make your case. I make mine. Maybe we find compromises. The voters decide.


    But for the past I-don’t-know-how-many years, one side, the left, has also been fighting a war for terrain. We on the right have been deploying our ideas, trusting in our institutions and assenting to the process. But they on the left have been using pure, brute force in an attempt to take over the intellectual terrain on which ideas are discussed.


    Universities, the news media, entertainment outlets, social media — all have fallen to the pressure, blacklisting, and occasional violence of the Left. Rioters and hecklers keep conservatives off campus. The news and entertainment media blacklist conservatives, and small numbers of “boycotters” puff themselves up like adders and scare off conservative sponsors. People are fired — lose the means to support themselves and their families — for such crimes as believing that there are two genders or supporting Donald Trump.


    This week, I gave a talk at Stanford on the Judeo-Christian underpinnings of Western Culture. Though no students objected, two members of the university’s administration sent out a newsletter portraying me as an anti-Muslim bigot. They said it was “unacceptable” I should speak on such a topic during the celebration of Ramadan. They managed — as they surely intended — to stir up some trouble, though not enough to bring the event to a halt.


    Shame on them. For college administrators to try to convince college students that it is “unacceptable” for them to hear ideas they might disagree with is simply wicked. In my response from the podium, I explained that there are only two systems of speech: free speech and speech that is controlled by the powerful. If speech is going to be silenced on the grounds that it is hateful, you have to ask the question: who decides? The answer is always the same: the powerful — the government, the administration, big business, the mob. And it is never very long before “hateful” speech turns into “speech people in power disagree with.” That is why, for speech to be free, it must be free for everyone, even those we dislike.


    Also this week, on my podcast, my friend, comedian Michael Loftus, described how his latest pitch for a TV show was turned down at several high level outlets after executives explained they couldn’t be seen to be friendly toward anyone on the right.


    Also this week, my friend and frequent podcast guest Jenna Ellis Rives was blocked on Facebook for a witty pro-life post quoting Daily Wire’s own Matt Walsh. "Facebook's 'community standards' simply mean they are in the business of censoring conservative thought," Jenna told PJMedia.


    Also, this week, a bright, personable young woman told me how she was suddenly fired from Apple, most likely because of her conservative Facebook posts. But then we already know Apple CEO Tim Cook believesthe God-inspired conscience of a billionaire CEO is the best judge of which ideas should be given a platform and which banned.


    Also this week, in my neck of the woods, a local paper started a campaign against a restaurant that hosted an event for the Log Cabin Republicans — a group of conservative gay people. “Members of the community have reached out to the WeHo Times with concerns that Fiesta Cantina… has been hosting mixers for a political group known for their open support of President Trump.” As if supporting the American president were something shameful that must be done in secret.


    These are not honorable sallies in a war of ideas. These are acts of force meant to seize terrain.


    This is what Donald Trump understands that too many conservative intellectuals miss. The belligerent and obstreperous Trump was called to the presidency by voters who know that, while the war of ideas can and should be waged politely by American friends, a war for terrain is a much uglier business.


    Thus, also this week, the Trump Administration boldly refused to join the so-called Christchurch Call, a Global agreement by 18 nations to censor online speech. Also this week, the Trump Administration launched a website where you can file a complaint if you feel you’ve been censored on social media for your political opinions.


    Good for Trump. For too long, the right has acted as if the violent seizure of the territory where speech takes place could be met with sweet reason.


    But a war in which only one side is fighting can only end one way.
     

    JeepHammer

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    News flash!...

    This country has always been chainging and will always change!
    The 'Melting Pot' changing of America is what makes it uniquely 'American'.

    The 'Unique' part is how everything blends together to make something new,
    Some works, some doesn't.
    This is the wrong country to be an 'Isolationist' or 'Conservitiave' since free idea exchange changes everything all the time...
    For better or worse, change IS the constant.

    Keep in mind the founding fathers of the country,
    And the framers of the constitution freely admitted this was 'AN EXPERIMENT in self rule, a true democracy"
    It was clear to everyone back then every experiment can go one of three ways,
    It can succeed, It can fail, or It produces no clear results...

    I have a MUCH happier life since I accepted the fact it doesn't matter what *I THINK*, and not all new ideas are 'Bad' like 'Conservatives' think...

    Photography would have been banned because it *Might* be used for porn,
    Automobiles would have been banned because they *Might* kill people or *Might* be used for criminals to get away,
    Modern medicine wouldn't have been developed because it *Might* offend a 'God' or be used to keep members of another religion alive.

    'Conservatives' wanted to stay a colony of the British King,
    they wanted to keep slaves,
    Isolationists/Conservatives wanted to stay out of the world wars, in which case you would be speaking Russian, German or Japanese...
    Or not allowed to speak out loud at all!

    Unless you live in a tree and eat bugs naked, you are a progressive.
    The fact you posted on the internet means you are a progressive,
    'Conservatives' fought to keep a 'King', wanted censorship, wanted to keep slavery, burned newspapers & cut telegraph & phone lines, blow up churches & schools...
    ISIS is a good example of 'Conservatives', and they break their own rules...

    I'm just fine as a progressive, and I conserve the old ways until something rock solid comes along to replace the old ways...
    I don't beat grain with a rock, but I do keep hand cranked grinders around in case the electric mills fail... Since hand cranked mills rarely if ever fail...

    Im fine with a cell phone, but I don't believe we should scrap the mail system or land lines just yet... Since cell phone technology is new and can fail (frequently).

    Although I think air bags in cars keep stupid people alive, I don't go out to rant & rail against air bags the way people do against gays getting married or preaching 'Christian Family Values' while having 2 or 3 divorces behind them, random kids all over the place...

    You pay your money, you take your chances in an 'Experiment'...
    If you want a sure thing, death is the only sure thing, and I'm in no hurry to get to that.
    Besides, it's entertaining to see what's next, good or bad!
     

    KG1

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    News flash!...

    This country has always been chainging and will always change!
    The 'Melting Pot' changing of America is what makes it uniquely 'American'.

    The 'Unique' part is how everything blends together to make something new,
    Some works, some doesn't.
    This is the wrong country to be an 'Isolationist' or 'Conservitiave' since free idea exchange changes everything all the time...
    For better or worse, change IS the constant.

    Keep in mind the founding fathers of the country,
    And the framers of the constitution freely admitted this was 'AN EXPERIMENT in self rule, a true democracy"
    It was clear to everyone back then every experiment can go one of three ways,
    It can succeed, It can fail, or It produces no clear results...

    I have a MUCH happier life since I accepted the fact it doesn't matter what *I THINK*, and not all new ideas are 'Bad' like 'Conservatives' think...

    Photography would have been banned because it *Might* be used for porn,
    Automobiles would have been banned because they *Might* kill people or *Might* be used for criminals to get away,
    Modern medicine wouldn't have been developed because it *Might* offend a 'God' or be used to keep members of another religion alive.

    'Conservatives' wanted to stay a colony of the British King,
    they wanted to keep slaves,
    Isolationists/Conservatives wanted to stay out of the world wars, in which case you would be speaking Russian, German or Japanese...
    Or not allowed to speak out loud at all!

    Unless you live in a tree and eat bugs naked, you are a progressive.
    The fact you posted on the internet means you are a progressive,
    'Conservatives' fought to keep a 'King', wanted censorship, wanted to keep slavery, burned newspapers & cut telegraph & phone lines, blow up churches & schools...
    ISIS is a good example of 'Conservatives', and they break their own rules...

    I'm just fine as a progressive, and I conserve the old ways until something rock solid comes along to replace the old ways...
    I don't beat grain with a rock, but I do keep hand cranked grinders around in case the electric mills fail... Since hand cranked mills rarely if ever fail...

    Im fine with a cell phone, but I don't believe we should scrap the mail system or land lines just yet... Since cell phone technology is new and can fail (frequently).

    Although I think air bags in cars keep stupid people alive, I don't go out to rant & rail against air bags the way people do against gays getting married or preaching 'Christian Family Values' while having 2 or 3 divorces behind them, random kids all over the place...

    You pay your money, you take your chances in an 'Experiment'...
    If you want a sure thing, death is the only sure thing, and I'm in no hurry to get to that.
    Besides, it's entertaining to see what's next, good or bad!
    Tell me once again exactly whom is trying to stifle the exchange of free ideas these days? I'm getting the distinct impression that Conservatives should not have a voice in your world.
     
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    IndyDave1776

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    News flash!...

    This country has always been chainging and will always change!
    The 'Melting Pot' changing of America is what makes it uniquely 'American'.

    The 'Unique' part is how everything blends together to make something new,
    Some works, some doesn't.
    This is the wrong country to be an 'Isolationist' or 'Conservitiave' since free idea exchange changes everything all the time...
    For better or worse, change IS the constant.

    Keep in mind the founding fathers of the country,
    And the framers of the constitution freely admitted this was 'AN EXPERIMENT in self rule, a true democracy"
    It was clear to everyone back then every experiment can go one of three ways,
    It can succeed, It can fail, or It produces no clear results...

    I have a MUCH happier life since I accepted the fact it doesn't matter what *I THINK*, and not all new ideas are 'Bad' like 'Conservatives' think...

    Photography would have been banned because it *Might* be used for porn,
    Automobiles would have been banned because they *Might* kill people or *Might* be used for criminals to get away,
    Modern medicine wouldn't have been developed because it *Might* offend a 'God' or be used to keep members of another religion alive.

    'Conservatives' wanted to stay a colony of the British King,
    they wanted to keep slaves,
    Isolationists/Conservatives wanted to stay out of the world wars, in which case you would be speaking Russian, German or Japanese...
    Or not allowed to speak out loud at all!

    Unless you live in a tree and eat bugs naked, you are a progressive.
    The fact you posted on the internet means you are a progressive,
    'Conservatives' fought to keep a 'King', wanted censorship, wanted to keep slavery, burned newspapers & cut telegraph & phone lines, blow up churches & schools...
    ISIS is a good example of 'Conservatives', and they break their own rules...

    I'm just fine as a progressive, and I conserve the old ways until something rock solid comes along to replace the old ways...
    I don't beat grain with a rock, but I do keep hand cranked grinders around in case the electric mills fail... Since hand cranked mills rarely if ever fail...

    Im fine with a cell phone, but I don't believe we should scrap the mail system or land lines just yet... Since cell phone technology is new and can fail (frequently).

    Although I think air bags in cars keep stupid people alive, I don't go out to rant & rail against air bags the way people do against gays getting married or preaching 'Christian Family Values' while having 2 or 3 divorces behind them, random kids all over the place...

    You pay your money, you take your chances in an 'Experiment'...
    If you want a sure thing, death is the only sure thing, and I'm in no hurry to get to that.
    Besides, it's entertaining to see what's next, good or bad!

    Do you really believe this crap or are you trying to stir the pot for amusement?
     

    jamil

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    News flash!...

    This country has always been chainging and will always change!
    The 'Melting Pot' changing of America is what makes it uniquely 'American'.

    The 'Unique' part is how everything blends together to make something new,
    Some works, some doesn't.
    This is the wrong country to be an 'Isolationist' or 'Conservitiave' since free idea exchange changes everything all the time...
    For better or worse, change IS the constant.

    Keep in mind the founding fathers of the country,
    And the framers of the constitution freely admitted this was 'AN EXPERIMENT in self rule, a true democracy"
    It was clear to everyone back then every experiment can go one of three ways,
    It can succeed, It can fail, or It produces no clear results...

    I have a MUCH happier life since I accepted the fact it doesn't matter what *I THINK*, and not all new ideas are 'Bad' like 'Conservatives' think...

    Photography would have been banned because it *Might* be used for porn,
    Automobiles would have been banned because they *Might* kill people or *Might* be used for criminals to get away,
    Modern medicine wouldn't have been developed because it *Might* offend a 'God' or be used to keep members of another religion alive.

    'Conservatives' wanted to stay a colony of the British King,
    they wanted to keep slaves,
    Isolationists/Conservatives wanted to stay out of the world wars, in which case you would be speaking Russian, German or Japanese...
    Or not allowed to speak out loud at all!

    Unless you live in a tree and eat bugs naked, you are a progressive.
    The fact you posted on the internet means you are a progressive,
    'Conservatives' fought to keep a 'King', wanted censorship, wanted to keep slavery, burned newspapers & cut telegraph & phone lines, blow up churches & schools...
    ISIS is a good example of 'Conservatives', and they break their own rules...

    I'm just fine as a progressive, and I conserve the old ways until something rock solid comes along to replace the old ways...
    I don't beat grain with a rock, but I do keep hand cranked grinders around in case the electric mills fail... Since hand cranked mills rarely if ever fail...

    Im fine with a cell phone, but I don't believe we should scrap the mail system or land lines just yet... Since cell phone technology is new and can fail (frequently).

    Although I think air bags in cars keep stupid people alive, I don't go out to rant & rail against air bags the way people do against gays getting married or preaching 'Christian Family Values' while having 2 or 3 divorces behind them, random kids all over the place...

    You pay your money, you take your chances in an 'Experiment'...
    If you want a sure thing, death is the only sure thing, and I'm in no hurry to get to that.
    Besides, it's entertaining to see what's next, good or bad!


    There was a study done which showed that Leftists haven’t a clue what conservatives think. Moderates and conservatives were able to predict how people on the left would answer questions about various values, but people on the left were unable to predict how moderates and conservatives would answer those questions. Your post confirms the the results.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    I’d say yes. He probably believes it. It’s a big reason why the left is broken right now.

    Well, it can equally be said that the conservatives don't understand leftists. Further, the right is just as broken as the left, evidenced by the guy sitting in the WH. Trump seems to be one of the last gasps of Conservative ideology wish to retain power by any means that they can. I think it's folly, as conservatism should alway have a place, and thrive, but the Trump backlash may be the beginning of the end.
     

    Ingomike

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    Well, it can equally be said that the conservatives don't understand leftists. Further, the right is just as broken as the left, evidenced by the guy sitting in the WH. Trump seems to be one of the last gasps of Conservative ideology wish to retain power by any means that they can. I think it's folly, as conservatism should alway have a place, and thrive, but the Trump backlash may be the beginning of the end.

    And please link to to the news of "conservatives" with power shutting down leftist speech.
     

    Spear Dane

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    News flash!...

    This country has always been chainging and will always change!
    The 'Melting Pot' changing of America is what makes it uniquely 'American'.

    The 'Unique' part is how everything blends together to make something new,
    Some works, some doesn't.
    This is the wrong country to be an 'Isolationist' or 'Conservitiave' since free idea exchange changes everything all the time...
    For better or worse, change IS the constant.

    Keep in mind the founding fathers of the country,
    And the framers of the constitution freely admitted this was 'AN EXPERIMENT in self rule, a true democracy"
    It was clear to everyone back then every experiment can go one of three ways,
    It can succeed, It can fail, or It produces no clear results...

    I have a MUCH happier life since I accepted the fact it doesn't matter what *I THINK*, and not all new ideas are 'Bad' like 'Conservatives' think...

    Photography would have been banned because it *Might* be used for porn,
    Automobiles would have been banned because they *Might* kill people or *Might* be used for criminals to get away,
    Modern medicine wouldn't have been developed because it *Might* offend a 'God' or be used to keep members of another religion alive.

    'Conservatives' wanted to stay a colony of the British King,
    they wanted to keep slaves,
    Isolationists/Conservatives wanted to stay out of the world wars, in which case you would be speaking Russian, German or Japanese...
    Or not allowed to speak out loud at all!

    Unless you live in a tree and eat bugs naked, you are a progressive.
    The fact you posted on the internet means you are a progressive,
    'Conservatives' fought to keep a 'King', wanted censorship, wanted to keep slavery, burned newspapers & cut telegraph & phone lines, blow up churches & schools...
    ISIS is a good example of 'Conservatives', and they break their own rules...

    I'm just fine as a progressive, and I conserve the old ways until something rock solid comes along to replace the old ways...
    I don't beat grain with a rock, but I do keep hand cranked grinders around in case the electric mills fail... Since hand cranked mills rarely if ever fail...

    Im fine with a cell phone, but I don't believe we should scrap the mail system or land lines just yet... Since cell phone technology is new and can fail (frequently).

    Although I think air bags in cars keep stupid people alive, I don't go out to rant & rail against air bags the way people do against gays getting married or preaching 'Christian Family Values' while having 2 or 3 divorces behind them, random kids all over the place...

    You pay your money, you take your chances in an 'Experiment'...
    If you want a sure thing, death is the only sure thing, and I'm in no hurry to get to that.
    Besides, it's entertaining to see what's next, good or bad!

    I've seen enough of your posts to just about peg you as a liberal trying very hard to not get caught out as one. I say this because you have no idea what it means to be a conservative. Conservatives are not ideological Luddites. We don't oppose change because we hate change. Any idiot understands things change.
    But...and hang on to your beer for this one...there are some things, some TRUTHS that we hold to be self evident and universal and those WE WILL NOT SEE CHANGED.
    Since you are unfamiliar with the Constitution and the BoR I suggest a thorough study and you will, perhaps, come to understand those things.
    Those pesky truths, like the right to self defense. The right to free assembly and political expression. The right to worship, or not, as one sees fit. The right to LIFE, born or in the womb. Those few items right there are the battle grounds upon which most of the culture war is fought. Personally I would suggest you quit thinking you can sit on the fence. You cannot. Take a good close look and you will find those principles..ALL of them...are under concerted attack like never in the history of this country.

    We do not say that a man who takes no interest in politics is a man who minds his own business; we say that he has no business here at all-
    Pericles commenting the participation of Athenian citizens in politics



    To give you the benefit of the more common paraphrase: Because you take no interest in politics does not mean it doesn't take interest in you.
     

    KG1

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    Well, it can equally be said that the conservatives don't understand leftists. Further, the right is just as broken as the left, evidenced by the guy sitting in the WH. Trump seems to be one of the last gasps of Conservative ideology wish to retain power by any means that they can. I think it's folly, as conservatism should alway have a place, and thrive, but the Trump backlash may be the beginning of the end.
    I view Trump's election as an attempt to put the brakes on before we go careening off of that progressive cliff of no return we were racing toward. I just did not see anyone else in the 2016 GOP cast of candidates that I felt would be up to the task at hand at the time.

    Do pray tell which party seems to be doing their damndest to regain AND permanently retain their grip on political and cultural power by any means they can?

    I would say the left has a decidedly greater thirst for the ultimate goal of political/cultural domination and I for one will absolutely oppose them at every turn even if it means voting for a somewhat flawed candidate the likes of our current POTUS if it will help to stem the increasingly ultra aggressive progressive tide.

    THAT to me is what it means to be a Conservative to which I will be offering no apologies any time soon.
     
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