Is the USA a republic or democracy?

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  • jamil

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    It's not really an either/or question. Mostly generally a Republic is a form of government where sovereignty is public, not private, as in a Monarchy. Republic literally translates to "public thing".

    It is not incorrect to refer to the USA as a democracy, because the representatives and executives in the US are democratically elected by the people. It's only incorrect if one is saying that the USA is a direct democracy, in which case, it would still be a Republic because the sovereignty of such a nation is public. Since everyone you've likely corrected on this very likely knows that we hold elections for local, state, and national government representatives and executives, I doubt the people who sometimes refer to the US as a democracy are calling it a direct democracy.

    We are a Republic, which is democratic, which has the source of its power a social contract called the U.S. Constitution. Our form of government, is republican because our sovereignty is derived from the people, not a monarch. It's a representative form of government because the people don't make and execute laws directly. It's a democracy because the people elect those representatives and executives. It's a constitutional form of government because our laws are based on the US Constitution. It's all those things. Constitutional. Democratic. Representative. Republican. The description is hierarchical.

    France is a democratic republic. But I don't people get bent out of shape when people call it a democracy. A republic doesn't have to have democratically elected power. China is a Republic too. It just happens to be a communist dictatorship ruled by a single party, where the party chair is the leader. Great Britain is a representative democracy in that their laws are written by elected representatives in Parliament, but it is not a republic because their sovereignty belongs to the Crown, not the people.

    So, it's correct enough for people generally to say the US is a democracy. It is. It is not correct to say the US is a republic AND NOT a democracy. We are both. A democracy doesn't have to be direct. It's still a democracy if political power is wielded through democratically elected representatives. So we should probably stop trying to correct people who are not saying anything incorrect. They most likely do understand that our elected representatives make the laws and not the people directly. However, if you do find people who are really trying to claim the US is a direct democracy, you have reality's full permission to correct them. Otherwise you're...

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    I think the hangup is based on the understanding of someone who would call it a democracy. They do so because they dont understand how our system truly works and typically believe it works as a simple direct democracy. (e.g. 2 wolves and a sheep voting for dinner)
     

    jamil

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    So...... a democratically elected representative republic of states?

    Senators and US House Reps are determined by direct popular vote. For the executive branch, yes. We indirectly elect the president through an electoral college, where the electors generally vote according to the popular vote within the state. But it’s not that fact that makes us a republic or not a republic. It also doesn’t make us not a democracy. The point is, it’s not incorrect to refer to the US as a democracy; whether directly or indirectly electing the chief executive, the process is democratic.
     

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    I don't know that there is a a term for government that sells laws indirectly, but still has elections.
     

    jamil

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    I think the hangup is based on the understanding of someone who would call it a democracy. They do so because they dont understand how our system truly works and typically believe it works as a simple direct democracy. (e.g. 2 wolves and a sheep voting for dinner)

    Well. Maybe some people may. I’d challenge the notion that the people we generally correct for saying it, actually don’t understand that we don’t have a direct democracy. Sure. You could say so for low information voters. But, I think before one makes such corrections, one should make sure the other person is saying what you think they are. And when you correct them, if you’re really interested in accuracy, say the whole thing, not just part of it. “‘Murica ain’t no democracy, it’s a republic” isn’t true. It is a republic. It is also a form of democracy, but it isn’t a direct democracy.

    We’re not just two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. However, even with our form of that hierarchy of self governing components, a majority of wolves could be elected, and a wolf president could be elected, who stacks the courts with wolves, and then they all work to enact legislation to put sheep on the menu, and the courts reject challenges from the sheep.

    Our brand of republic, the constitution, and the checks and balances, and its indirect democratic process can help a self-governed society last longer than they typically do. But it’s not human-nature proof.
     

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    Well. Maybe some people may. I’d challenge the notion that the people we generally correct for saying it, actually don’t understand that we don’t have a direct democracy. Sure. You could say so for low information voters. But, I think before one makes such corrections, one should make sure the other person is saying what you think they are. And when you correct them, if you’re really interested in accuracy, say the whole thing, not just part of it. “‘Murica ain’t no democracy, it’s a republic” isn’t true. It is a republic. It is also a form of democracy, but it isn’t a direct democracy.

    We’re not just two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. However, even with our form of that hierarchy of self governing components, a majority of wolves could be elected, and a wolf president could be elected, who stacks the courts with wolves, and then they all work to enact legislation to put sheep on the menu, and the courts reject challenges from the sheep.

    Our brand of republic, the constitution, and the checks and balances, and its indirect democratic process can help a self-governed society last longer than they typically do. But it’s not human-nature proof.

    ^ this is why the sheep need AR-15!!!
     

    Sylvain

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    I was about to answer "both" but apparently it's what you did too, just with way too many words.

    It is a federal republic and a representative democrary. :patriot:
     

    ATOMonkey

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    It's becoming more directly democratic all the time.

    We will be democratically socialist right up to the point where we become a socialist dictatorship, and then we can start over with the whole thing again.

    Without a common foundation of values that promotes liberty, and compassion of the individual, all self-governing societies will devolve to complete autocracy before rebelling.

    1) People will deny responsibility for actions and circumstances
    2) They will demand that other people take financial responsibility for their actions and circumstances.
    3) They will eventually run out of other people's money.
    4) The system implodes
    5) The shooting starts.
     

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    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible,with liberty and justice for all. :patriot:


    Just sayin’
     

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    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible,with liberty and justice for all. :patriot:


    Just sayin’

    Written by a socialist....who was a minister who didn't originally write the under God line. Under God was added in the 50s as a communist witch Hunt.
     
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