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    Anti MAGA epiphany.

    I think I found an analogy to the "MAGA" / "NO! MAGA BAD!" that makes sense. Ive been working solo doing some mundane repetetive work. My mind tends to wander when I do this stuff. (putting ends on about 200 network cables... in other news, my thumbnails are pretty thrashed from adjusting wires)


    Person 1: (thinking back to the likes of 70s GTs, Mustangs, etc) "Make Ford Great Again!"


    Person 2: (recalling visions of rear ended Pintos in flames) "NO! Ford was never good!"


    I'm pretty sure that those against it are assuming that to bring back the old means bringing back both good and bad.


    Also pretty sure nobody is actually calling for us to bring back EVERYTHING we used to be. Some of it was downright awful. But overall a good thing.


    After all, if we were as bad as some say, we wouldn't have people wanting to come here.
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    I think that almost all heated disagreements are rooted in the misguided assumptions that are made by people about the ones they disagree with.

    It is pretty much normal that if you post an opinion on something, someone will argue with you about something that you didn't actually say, because they made assumptions.
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    Reagan's shining city on the hill was the vision of Arthur's Camelot (or Norman Rockwell) and the call of Might FOR Right, not the remembrance of British inherited slavery. Anybody who thinks we want to bring the bad back is an idiot not worth arguing with...so I still don't understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob63 View Post
    I think that almost all heated disagreements are rooted in the misguided assumptions that are made by people about the ones they disagree with.

    It is pretty much normal that if you post an opinion on something, someone will argue with you about something that you didn't actually say, because they made assumptions.
    ROB63 is 100 % correct.
    People over analyze, read too much into it, or already have made up their minds.

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    My confusion was always the 'again' part. I thought America was about as great as it has ever been. Nostalgia tends to blur the truth. I believe by most measures we're better off today than we've ever been.

    Aren't modern Ford cars better in every objective measure than they were in the 70s?

    That all said I envy the things we managed to mobilize and accomplish in times of actual existential crisis like harnessing the atom and going to the moon. But maybe that's just nostalgia as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jludo View Post
    My confusion was always the 'again' part. I thought America was about as great as it has ever been. Nostalgia tends to blur the truth. I believe by most measures we're better off today than we've ever been.

    Aren't modern Ford cars better in every objective measure than they were in the 70s?

    That all said I envy the things we managed to mobilize and accomplish in times of actual existential crisis like harnessing the atom and going to the moon. But maybe that's just nostalgia as well.
    I long for the simplicity of my younger years.
    But in that I would miss the internet.
    And 260 channels playing pretty much nothing...


    I long for the simplicity of the cars in my younger years.
    But in that I would miss the everyday creature comforts and my remote start. Yes, I would miss my remote start. And 4 wheel disk brakes. And radial tires. And great sound systems.

    Good points you make sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameramonkey View Post
    (putting ends on about 200 network cables... in other news, my thumbnails are pretty thrashed from adjusting wires)
    Someone really needs to invent a better system for that

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    I don't think MAGA is about going backwards in time, but more about raising up the US on the world stage, building our economy by bringing manufacturing back to our country, and making us more self sufficient than we currently are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dog View Post
    I don't think MAGA is about going backwards in time, but more about raising up the US on the world stage, building our economy by bringing manufacturing back to our country, and making us more self sufficient than we currently are.
    Isn't US manufacturing production as high as ever? Just being done by fewer people.

    I second the self sufficient part but I'm not sure the focus has been in the right place, we should be dumping big money into nuclear power and get off of oil. We got a boost with fracking but that won't last forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    I long for the simplicity of my younger years.
    But in that I would miss the internet.
    And 260 channels playing pretty much nothing...


    I long for the simplicity of the cars in my younger years.
    But in that I would miss the everyday creature comforts and my remote start. Yes, I would miss my remote start. And 4 wheel disk brakes. And radial tires. And great sound systems.

    Good points you make sir.
    I would only add that I also long for the simplicity of the bikes of my younger years; carbureted, chain driven, dual pivot dual shock and not a drop of water inside the engine

    I think this is part of the reason the more mechanically simple cars and bikes that you could actually tweak and work on and improve without specialized tools remain popular with those who enjoyed them first time around. Even though I'm a pretty died in the wool japanese motorcycle fan, I've toyed with the idea lately of getting a 90s FXR and personalizing it

    Edit: Some of the hottest bikes from this era like FJs and KZs are being bought up here, where their desirability is mostly in decline, shipped back to Japan and being restored - sometimes commercially and sold for big


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