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    I hear tell that hispanics are lining up for their carry permits after the El Paso Great Wal shoot'em up. Maybe they'll look at the gun grabbers and think about voting against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKBJ View Post
    I hear tell that hispanics are lining up for their carry permits after the El Paso Great Wal shoot'em up. Maybe they'll look at the gun grabbers and think about voting against them.
    It's sad when such an event triggers a flip flop amongst the people but then to a lot of people the 2A doesn't hold a lot of value. Until it affects them directly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by two70 View Post
    You left out the stoners voting for Libertarians.
    Weeds for Democrats, psychonauts are voting for libertarians.

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    There are indeed a lot of people who have looked up and recognized the commonality of anti-constitutionalism and the debth wish of the republithugs and dummycrats. The two main difficulties in rectifying that two-party situation seem to be who can resist the machine sufficiently to obtain election rather than selection and normalcy bias reinforced by comfort zone inclinations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingomike View Post
    I have long said that if instead of voting for candidates we took a test on our views and our answers were translated into votes, about 25% each would be Dem and Rep, while the rest would be libertarian. You may not have noticed but there has been a profound shift in politics even though it is not widely discussed AND will take a few years to filter through the congress.

    So just who are the voters of the political parties now in the age of Trump?

    Republicans

    pro-gun
    pro-life
    small business
    financial
    real estate
    religious
    independent minded
    rural

    Democrats

    big business
    international business
    all education
    major media
    Hollywood
    dependent minded
    pro-abortion
    urban

    The big flip is big business and international business as many of them are so big they no longer feel the need for the protections of the US and our constitutional freedoms. Also there are many congressional representatives retiring, I believe it is because the voters are shifting. So called blue dog Democrats are now solidly Republican and wealthy suburbs are flipping Dem.

    Any I have wrong?

    Any to add?
    Yeah. You left out the chamber-o-commerce Republicans. Authoritarian. Fudd. Pro corporatists. Globalist.

    Speaking of authoritarian, you could throw that up for the left as well. Same with Globalist. Plus the Billary wing of the Democratic Party is pro-corporatist too. I guess chalk them both up for all three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingomike View Post
    And then we have exactly what the framers were trying to prevent with our constitutional republic a democracy, which is two wolves and one sheep voting on what to eat for lunch...
    To the proportion that our government is democratic to begin with I'd wonder if voting directly on issues would be better than voting on representatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamil View Post
    Yeah. You left out the chamber-o-commerce Republicans. Authoritarian. Fudd. Pro corporatists. Globalist.

    Speaking of authoritarian, you could throw that up for the left as well. Same with Globalist. Plus the Billary wing of the Democratic Party is pro-corporatist too. I guess chalk them both up for all three.
    Actually I pointed out the change in many of the groups you cite. The chamber usually are pro corporate and globalists. I think the chamber may have competing interests as mega-global-corps and their leftist tendencies vs local small business and their libertarian views. This is showing up in the voters for the party...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jludo View Post
    To the proportion that our government is democratic to begin with I'd wonder if voting directly on issues would be better than voting on representatives.
    If you still have romantic notions about pure democracy you need to review the sheep and wolves story.

    The framers actually built the system to not do something by creating circuit breakers all throughput. True democracy would have already had a vote banning all guns 50.02% to 49.08%...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jludo View Post
    To the proportion that our government is democratic to begin with I'd wonder if voting directly on issues would be better than voting on representatives.
    Hell no. Our system was specifically designed as a democratic republic to prevent legislation passed by popular vote.

    It's impossible to protect the rights of the individual when the collective is so eager to vote those rights away based on popular opinion in the moment. How fast do you think we'd lose our gun rights if they were put to a popular vote the day after a mass shooting?

    Direct voting on legislation is the antithesis of what our nation was founded on.
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    Democrats = Socialist

    Anti Semitic
    Free Education
    Free Healthcare
    Green New Deal
    Forced Labor Unions
    Federally Mandated wage laws $15.00 hr
    Federally Mandated housing price controls
    The end of American Manufacturing
    Changing Supreme Court to ensure Socialist rule
    Repeal the 2AD
    “Paris Treaty” this ensures economic disaster
    Iran Nuclear Pact this ensures the End of Israel
    Open Borders
    Unlimited flood of immigration “no illegal immigration it will not be a crime”
    Free healthcare for non citizens
    Economic Disaster
    Unemployment
    Reparations
    Student Debt Forgiveness
    China




    Republican = American

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