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    Quote Originally Posted by Kutnupe14 View Post
    What did Vindman do the hinder the foreign policy of the president? I'm hearing that people are having issues with Vindman, but they don't really seem to have a reason why? If he's part of the "Deep State," or "DC Establishment," what actions has he taken to make that claim stick? He's apparently not the whistleblower. He He (michael jackson reference?) tried to amend the call transcript to reflect WHAT HE PERSONALLY FELT THE conversation WAS ABOUT VIA HIS PRE CONCEIVED BIASES, NOT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID, and he testified in the House after being subpoenaed AND HE REFUSED TO ANSWER MANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING WHO ELSE HE GAVE OUT THE INFORMATION TO. What about any of that is wrong or improper?

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    I get that the democrats and their media enablers don't want the whistleblowers name out there, that is not my question, once it is out why would the media pretend it is not? I think this is censorship by elites that believe they are above it all.

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    Whistleblower has complaint filed for improper fundraising, he raised $227,000 on a gofundme.

    The complaint, which was filed last week and obtained by Fox News, alleged the donations from roughly 6,000 individuals "clearly constitute" gifts to a current intelligence official that may be restricted because of the employee's official position pursuant to 5 CFR 2635.203 and other statutes. To date, the GoFundMe has raised over $227,000.

    The complaint also raised the possibility that some of the donations may have come from prohibited sources, and asked the ICIG to look into whether any "foreign citizen or agent of a foreign government" contributed.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...laint-n2556342

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    Vindman testified that the transcript that the White House provided was complete and accurate. Beyond that, so far he has provided no facts about the call or anything illegal, just some "feeling" that Trump was wrong...for reasons he (and Schiff) really didn't want to explain. His testimony boiled down to saying that Trump...President Trump... the duly elected President Trump whose duties and powers include the foreign policy of the United States...THAT Trump... took Ukrainian foreign policy a direction that Vindman and his fellow bureaucrats disagreed with and therefore Trump, the guy in charge of foreign policy, was undermining the foreign policy of the United States! And furthermore, Vindman testified that he himself undermined Trump's initiatives in getting the Ukrainian President to investigate corruption by Burisma and Biden et al by personally telling the Ukrainian government not to "get involved in US domestic politics." He clearly thinks the President should subordinate himself to Vindman's little interagency group, rather than the other way around, and when he didn't he cried...but refuses to testify under oath who he cried to. He's upset that Trump went to "outsiders" (and is it any wonder Trump does this?), which by Vindman's testimony includes other government officials with expertise on Ukraine that aren't part of his little interagency coven.

    So yeah, Vindmen is pretty much smoking-gun level proof of a "Deep State".

    More on Vindman:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/analysis-democrats-have-a-col-vindman-problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alamo View Post
    Vindman testified that the transcript that the White House provided was complete and accurate. Beyond that, so far he has provided no facts about the call or anything illegal, just some "feeling" that Trump was wrong...for reasons he (and Schiff) really didn't want to explain. His testimony boiled down to saying that Trump...President Trump... the duly elected President Trump whose duties and powers include the foreign policy of the United States...THAT Trump... took Ukrainian foreign policy a direction that Vindman and his fellow bureaucrats disagreed with and therefore Trump, the guy in charge of foreign policy, was undermining the foreign policy of the United States! And furthermore, Vindman testified that he himself undermined Trump's initiatives in getting the Ukrainian President to investigate corruption by Burisma and Biden et al by personally telling the Ukrainian government not to "get involved in US domestic politics." He clearly thinks the President should subordinate himself to Vindman's little interagency group, rather than the other way around, and when he didn't he cried...but refuses to testify under oath who he cried to. He's upset that Trump went to "outsiders" (and is it any wonder Trump does this?), which by Vindman's testimony includes other government officials with expertise on Ukraine that aren't part of his little interagency coven.

    So yeah, Vindmen is pretty much smoking-gun level proof of a "Deep State".

    More on Vindman:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/analysis-democrats-have-a-col-vindman-problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kutnupe14 View Post
    Being "duly elected," only means that the people have chosen that person to lead... that does not mean "leading by any means necessary." People that "serve at the pleasure," does not mean that they are bound to abide illegal, or improper, actions.
    You say "illegal and improper" as if any such thing has taken place here, but it hasn't. Trump was exercising his constitutional powers. Vindman has sworn to uphold legal orders from his commander in chief. He has violated that oath by actively interfered in its execution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phase2 View Post
    You say "illegal and improper" as if any such thing has taken place here, but it hasn't. Trump was exercising his constitutional powers. Vindman has sworn to uphold legal orders from his commander in chief. He has violated that oath by actively interfered in its execution.
    Obviously that is open to debate. And the cast of characters the president has surrounded himself with, doesn't exact war the heart when it comes to believing this administration is on the "up and up."

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