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    Quote Originally Posted by Jludo View Post
    All the more reason to pull out of iraq and Afghanistan, as we spend 1000x the resources there as we do on refugees and our actions are a major cause of the refugee crisis to begin with.
    And I have to agree to this in part also. Again, on the world stage in which we are a huge player there are other interests involved we are not considering in this.
    The resources these players hope to gain would cause us grief down the path we are all on. If not for those resources none of this would even matter. What do we do in this. Fair question. To all. Not a point of argument.

    My point in the influx of non Americans is that they are thrust upon us. They take over areas and cause so many issues. They (GVT. ****'s) plant them in areas and walk away. Our live are disrupted. I call Bull ****
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jludo View Post
    What does that have to do with advocating for certain government policies? I've never treated a poor kid for leukemia yet I can still advocate for Medicaid.
    How many guys in their 20s do we expect to have the resources to single handedly take in and support a refugee family?
    Im comfortable in where and how much I give to charity and what kind of an impact I can have on those around the world less fortunate than I am. That's all I can do at the moment but in the future I'd have zero qualms with taking in someone.
    Why do you want to plunder your fellow citizen's property for that which you cannot or are not willing to do yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jludo View Post
    I'd be more fine with the stay home and sort it out view if we weren't the ones destabilizing the areas they were fleeing from. Iraq, Syria, Libya, life wasn't great for those under strong men but it wasn't a problem for us. Now that we have somehow managed to make the places worse than brutal dictatorship, we bear some responsibility in cleaning up the mess.


    Ive said all along, put a dictator in place. Give him outdated military equipment to control his people as well as some cash, gold plated pistol for rallies and a couple supermodels. Condemn his actions in the media, and support him silently. Weve done it before.
    Leave Afghanistan, and the middle east. Not everybody wants to be an American. Some cultures want to be subjugated, its what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed View Post
    Why do you want to plunder your fellow citizen's property for that which you cannot or are not willing to do yourself?
    Because I believe it's of social and moral benefit. Like I said I can't cure a sick child of a poor family either but I'm willing to pay my taxes, give to charity and am willing to send armed men to rob you of your resources to pay for someone else to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDude View Post
    Ive said all along, put a dictator in place. Give him outdated military equipment to control his people as well as some cash, gold plated pistol for rallies and a couple supermodels. Condemn his actions in the media, and support him silently. Weve done it before.
    Leave Afghanistan, and the middle east. Not everybody wants to be an American. Some cultures want to be subjugated, its what they are.
    We don't even have to spend money to prop up the dictators, just don't topple them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    And I have to agree to this in part also. Again, on the world stage in which we are a huge player there are other interests involved we are not considering in this.
    The resources these players hope to gain would cause us grief down the path we are all on. If not for those resources none of this would even matter. What do we do in this. Fair question. To all. Not a point of argument.

    My point in the influx of non Americans is that they are thrust upon us. They take over areas and cause so many issues. They (GVT. ****'s) plant them in areas and walk away. Our live are disrupted. I call Bull ****
    You can't have the best of both worlds, refugees are a consequence of our actions. The fact that it's a world stage we are operating on doesnt change that. If you want to retain influence and access to resources in the middle east, then refugees are a part of how we've been playing that game. We either stop playing the game the way we've been or we deal with the consequences as they come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jludo View Post
    We don't even have to spend money to prop up the dictators, just don't topple them.





    See.......win-win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jludo View Post
    All the more reason to pull out of iraq and Afghanistan, as we spend 1000x the resources there as we do on refugees and our actions are a major cause of the refugee crisis to begin with.
    Yep, we just stay home, be the wealthiest country on the planet and everyone will just leave is be in peace and harmony. I too want our resources used at home but the world does not work that way. Your posts sound too naive, simplistic, and utopian for the real world...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingomike View Post
    Yep, we just stay home, be the wealthiest country on the planet and everyone will just leave is be in peace and harmony. I too want our resources used at home but the world does not work that way. Your posts sound too naive, simplistic, and utopian for the real world...
    I didn't say we wouldn't have problems. But the problems we would have would be more manageable than the cluster**** we are sitting in now. Take it one cluster**** at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingomike View Post
    Yep, we just stay home, be the wealthiest country on the planet and everyone will just leave is be in peace and harmony. I too want our resources used at home but the world does not work that way. Your posts sound too naive, simplistic, and utopian for the real world...
    9/11 was a result of getting involved in affairs we have no business in.
    The refugee crisis is a result of getting involved in affairs we have no business in.
    ISIS is a result of getting involved in affairs we have no business in.

    Your line of reasoning is what puts American lives in danger.

    History is full of examples to prove my point, I'm only mentioning the middle east, but it's not limited to that, either.

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