Epstein Didn't Kill Himself: What Does It Mean?

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  • Ingomike

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    Just FYI- Per a Rasmussen survey, the percentage of people believing Epstein killed himself:
    • Suicide: 21%
    • Murdered: 52%
    • Unsure: 27%

    Just what does this all mean? Fascinating article on what the broader implications of the deeper meaning of this phenomenon. Read the entire article at the link, just a couple of poignant paragraphs posted here...

    "Epstein didn’t kill himself” has become a pervasive cultural meme, as a general assertion of cynicism regarding the incompetence and moral degeneracy of our elites, which has produced a crisis of credibility for our leaders and institutions.

    Unsurprisingly, trust in almost every authority and institution has declined. The popularity of the “Epstein didn’t kill himself” meme is, as Michael Brendan Dougherty notes, due to what it implicitly communicates, which is: “I think our leadership class and our institutions are capable of every corruption and depravity.” The Epstein case represents the epitome of the eerie concupiscence and incompetence of our elites; it is the obscene capstone on a pyramid of decadence.

    Perhaps President Trump really is an extraordinary threat to the republic. And perhaps Epstein really did kill himself. What is certain is that our elites have murdered their own character and trustworthiness. If they had any humility or piety, they might ponder if Trump’s presidency has been a judgment upon them.

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/08/epstein-didnt-kill-himself-explains-why-trumps-impeachment-is-a-sham/
     

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    What does it mean? I would say the following, though maybe not as well:

    a general assertion of cynicism regarding the incompetence and moral degeneracy of our elites, which has produced a crisis of credibility for our leaders and institutions.

    Trump's election as a total outsider was a rejection of the current political class. The infamous "None of the above" vote against all regular Republican or Democrat options. In other words, his election was a symptom of the problems that the public sees in the system. His successes are a reflection of their decades of failures. I saw a quote that I can't find now, but it basically said:
    • Trump- Three years of experience, running on his record.
    • Biden- 40 years of experience, but running on promises of future accomplishments.
     

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    I do not believe that he killed himself.

    But I personally lean towards some kind of "prison justice" for offing a kid diddler than I do some vast government conspiracy.
     

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    I do not believe that he killed himself.

    But I personally lean towards some kind of "prison justice" for offing a kid diddler than I do some vast government conspiracy.

    Prison justice doesn't normally involve video records disappearing, autopsies not backed up by the evidence and guards with highly improbable "mistakes" in procedure.
     

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    And usually after a failed 'suicide attempt', the prisoner is put in a much more constrained environment where it is much more difficult to acquire the materials for a second attempt - to the extent that I believe even their sheets are made out of paper
     

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    I do not believe that he killed himself.

    But I personally lean towards some kind of "prison justice" for offing a kid diddler than I do some vast government conspiracy.

    You do realize, he was claimed to have been locked down in a cell by himself, right?
    And if he survived, his testimony in court would have brought down untold numbers of kiddy diddlers.
     

    Libertarian01

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    To me it means that the system is SO screwed up beyond repair that a high profile prisoner can off himself. The public is wanting to believe some massive conspiracy and is just unwilling to accept the reality that without a single shred of proof to the contrary a man in prison can off himself.

    There are those who don't want to believe we were led by idiocy in December of 1941 sot the attack must have been allowed by inside forces.

    There are those who don't want to believe that a group of Middle Eastern thugs could hijack jet airliners and use them as bombs, so it must have been an inside job, or used explosives supplied by Israel.

    It is easier to accept the idea of a massively unrealistic conspiracy that goes according to plan rather than to accept the reality that our system is so F***** Up.

    Regards,

    Doug
     

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    To me it means that the system is SO screwed up beyond repair that a high profile prisoner can off himself. The public is wanting to believe some massive conspiracy and is just unwilling to accept the reality that without a single shred of proof to the contrary a man in prison can off himself.

    There are those who don't want to believe we were led by idiocy in December of 1941 sot the attack must have been allowed by inside forces.

    There are those who don't want to believe that a group of Middle Eastern thugs could hijack jet airliners and use them as bombs, so it must have been an inside job, or used explosives supplied by Israel.

    It is easier to accept the idea of a massively unrealistic conspiracy that goes according to plan rather than to accept the reality that our system is so F***** Up.

    Regards,

    Doug

    Not really a matter of wanting to believe, it's a matter of every single shred of evidence that could conclusively prove things one way or another has either been destroy, malfunctioned, or has been covered up. Jeffrey Epstein: Jail CCTV erased by 'technical errors'
    Latest autopsy results suggest he was murdered. :dunno:


    So the last thing we can do is simply say epstein didn't kill himself.
     

    Libertarian01

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    Not really a matter of wanting to believe, it's a matter of every single shred of evidence that could conclusively prove things one way or another has either been destroy, malfunctioned, or has been covered up. Jeffrey Epstein: Jail CCTV erased by 'technical errors'
    Latest autopsy results suggest he was murdered. :dunno:


    So the last thing we can do is simply say epstein didn't kill himself.


    Right, this article's message supports my theory. There is ZERO NADA NO proof that anyone who had access to the recording intentionally erased it. No proof that a secret, unidentified group of nerdowell's infiltrated the jail. Remember this. No payoffs, no guards who just bought a beach house with cash, nothing.

    It is easier to believe that effective conspirators executed a perfect plan than to presume the jail hires some idiots to guard our inmates.

    Show me that Confinement Officer Bubba was just put on the board of directors of a Ukrainian utility company for $200,000 / month, and we'll have something to talk about.

    Regards,

    Doug
     
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    Right, this articles message supports my theory. There is ZERO NADA NO proof that anyone who had access to the recording intentionally erased it. No proof that a secret, unidentified group of nerdowell's infiltrated the jail. Remember this. No payoffs, no guards who just bought a beach house with cash, nothing.

    OK. So Libertarian01 is in the 21% group.
     

    DRob

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    We have a dead guy who is believed to have held the key to the future of people we despise or at least whose names we might recognize. We have no solid proof, so far, as to why/how he got dead. But, we have the internet and that's all it takes for any half-baked theory, one way or the other, to get substantial traction. Ad mysterious "equipment failures' and not-so-mysterious incompetent players and you've got yourself a veritable petri dish for conspiracies.
     

    Libertarian01

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    We actually have the analysis of a noted forensic pathologist who states that the autopsy results are indicative of murder.


    We have the report of a celebrity pathologist who was hired by Epstein's brother to investigate. OF COURSE he is going to try to find flaws. Show me an attorney who is going to bring in expert testimony that disputes their case?

    The celebrity pathologists main point of contention: "Three (3) fractures in the hyoid bone and the thyroid cartilage." According to the chief medical examiner, in the case of hangings these breaks are not unusual in both homicides and suicides. So it isn't like there is a hidden piece of evidence, just a celebrity pathologist interpreting a fact in the best way for his client, but a way that really doesn't mean :poop:.

    There was probably bruising around the neck. This occurs in both suicides and homicides. Should the bruising be interpreted as evidence of an assassination? I think not.

    The jail was understaffed. It was being forced to use office personnel as guards due to need of putting bodies in places. Guards who were lazy and didn't want to take the time to check on him got bit in the butt. I used to be a confinement officer. People on suicide watch were a pain. You had to check on them every 15 minutes, but it couldn't be 15 minutes. That would be predictable. So you had to check on them every little bit that was less than 15 minutes. That was presuming there wasn't an event happening that required your attention.

    It is unimaginable for a multibillionaire used to flying around the world in his own private jet, hobnobbing with presidents and premiers, eating the finest food who has suddenly been deprived of everything to enter a funk and commit suicide. That is unthinkable, so it must have been THEM.

    Regards,

    Doug
     

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    I don't expect you to actually watch this, but here is a disinterested 3rd party ER doctor and actual photographs showing a number of problems with the suicide story (31min):

    [video=youtube;lzYgdlMzr_s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzYgdlMzr_s[/video]
     

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    Right, this article's message supports my theory. There is ZERO NADA NO proof that anyone who had access to the recording intentionally erased it. No proof that a secret, unidentified group of nerdowell's infiltrated the jail. Remember this. No payoffs, no guards who just bought a beach house with cash, nothing.

    It is easier to believe that effective conspirators executed a perfect plan than to presume the jail hires some idiots to guard our inmates.

    Show me that Confinement Officer Bubba was just put on the board of directors of a Ukrainian utility company for $200,000 / month, and we'll have something to talk about.

    Regards,

    Doug

    We have a dead guy who is believed to have held the key to the future of people we despise or at least whose names we might recognize. We have no solid proof, so far, as to why/how he got dead. But, we have the internet and that's all it takes for any half-baked theory, one way or the other, to get substantial traction. Ad mysterious "equipment failures' and not-so-mysterious incompetent players and you've got yourself a veritable petri dish for conspiracies.

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    Right, this article's message supports my theory. There is ZERO NADA NO proof that anyone who had access to the recording intentionally erased it. No proof that a secret, unidentified group of nerdowell's infiltrated the jail. Remember this. No payoffs, no guards who just bought a beach house with cash, nothing.

    It is easier to believe that effective conspirators executed a perfect plan than to presume the jail hires some idiots to guard our inmates.

    Show me that Confinement Officer Bubba was just put on the board of directors of a Ukrainian utility company for $200,000 / month, and we'll have something to talk about.

    Regards,

    Doug
    More like Confinement Officer Bubba dies in a “robbery” where nothing was taken, or is so despondent he shoots himself in the head twice and throws the weapon in the river.
     

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    We have the report of a celebrity pathologist who was hired by Epstein's brother to investigate. OF COURSE he is going to try to find flaws. Show me an attorney who is going to bring in expert testimony that disputes their case?

    The celebrity pathologists main point of contention: "Three (3) fractures in the hyoid bone and the thyroid cartilage." According to the chief medical examiner, in the case of hangings these breaks are not unusual in both homicides and suicides. So it isn't like there is a hidden piece of evidence, just a celebrity pathologist interpreting a fact in the best way for his client, but a way that really doesn't mean :poop:.

    There was probably bruising around the neck. This occurs in both suicides and homicides. Should the bruising be interpreted as evidence of an assassination? I think not.

    The jail was understaffed. It was being forced to use office personnel as guards due to need of putting bodies in places. Guards who were lazy and didn't want to take the time to check on him got bit in the butt. I used to be a confinement officer. People on suicide watch were a pain. You had to check on them every 15 minutes, but it couldn't be 15 minutes. That would be predictable. So you had to check on them every little bit that was less than 15 minutes. That was presuming there wasn't an event happening that required your attention.

    It is unimaginable for a multibillionaire used to flying around the world in his own private jet, hobnobbing with presidents and premiers, eating the finest food who has suddenly been deprived of everything to enter a funk and commit suicide. That is unthinkable, so it must have been THEM.

    Regards,

    Doug
    Hung himself with a bedsheet the official report says. Now go look up the autopsy photo of his neck and come back and give me your honest opinion. I won't mock you either way I promise. I just want you to go look.
    I absolutely believe the dude may have been suicidal. I just believe someone else did it.
     

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    I'm still trying to figure out how "the man ran a pedophile ring for the untouchable political class and got caught" requires some kind of vast conspiracy to have had him murdered. Pick one, just one uber rich guy, from a Saudi Prince to the British Royals to the American Elite (financial, political or otherwise) and I guarantee you he could pay for the entire prison to take the night off and send in his own professionals to do the need if needed. And bribe the judges, the coroner, and the drunk who happened to be awake at 2 AM to watch it happen. Pedophilia amongst the untouchable class of elite has happened since before Rome was an Empire, and owing to the fact that normal people tend to take exception to that even when we take exception to nothing else they tend to use their power and money to make sure it doesn't come to light. I know that that sort of thing seems more appropriate to the court of a king on a throne with his scheming vizir twirling his mustache, but just because our nobles wear suits instead of robes now doesn't make them any more moral.
     
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