Just Who Is Donald J. Trump?

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  • Ingomike

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    So after careers in real estate and Hollywood, a Presidential campaign and most of a first term, just who is Donald J. Trump?

    I believe that a man is the product of his life experience coupled by those he surrounds himself with and I think you can see that in DJT and the President he has become. A question being asked by every campaign is how can a a NY playboy connect so deeply with truly common people as evidenced by his rallies?

    Some me of my thoughts. He learned to navigate government bureaucracies and politicians in NY real estate, and the press by playing socialite. He built a TV show playing the network game, he understands how they think and work. His children have greatly influenced him, Don Jr. just wants to be a good ole boy, hunting and fishing while Ivanka is devout Jewish. You can see Jr. in his positions on guns as I believe that originated from him and the positions on Israel from Ivanka.

    I do not believe that money is his motivation in the Presidency, success and admiration are what drives this President. I believe if he were given a choice between Bezos level money and the kind of love and admiration shown Churchill after WWII for making America great again he would take the latter all day...
     

    Kutnupe14

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    I agree, "success and admiration" are what drives him. HIS success and his admiration. He did well in business and entertainment, so he saw one more goal to achieve. However, I think that the welfare of the nation takes a backseat to the goals at which he seeks. Now, if we (the nation) happen to benefit from the things he wishes to obtain, then so much the better; but not a requirement.

    I, as will be a surprise to everyone, do not have a high opinion of the man. He shirked his duty to his nation and avoided the draft (as many well off people did). He has failed to respect his marriages. He is uncouth and lies on a scale I have never seen before. His most obvious trait, is his ability to stir emotions in both his supporters and his opponents, to further his notoriety. I respect the office he holds, but not the man himself.

    I do not think he is influenced by his children, nor anyone else. I think he is his own man. I think it is more plausible that his children are influenced by him.

    Edit: lets keep it civil, because this one will probably be a hot topic :popcorn:
     

    Ingomike

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    I agree, "success and admiration" are what drives him. HIS success and his admiration. He did well in business and entertainment, so he saw one more goal to achieve. However, I think that the welfare of the nation takes a backseat to the goals at which he seeks. Now, if we (the nation) happen to benefit from the things he wishes to obtain, then so much the better; but not a requirement.

    I, as will be a surprise to everyone, do not have a high opinion of the man. He shirked his duty to his nation and avoided the draft (as many well off people did). He has failed to respect his marriages. He is uncouth and lies on a scale I have never seen before. His most obvious trait, is his ability to stir emotions in both his supporters and his opponents, to further his notoriety. I respect the office he holds, but not the man himself.

    I do not think he is influenced by his children, nor anyone else. I think he is his own man. I think it is more plausible that his children are influenced by him.

    Edit: lets keep it civil, because this one will probably be a hot topic :popcorn:

    I respect your post.

    I just don't see him as a pro-gun man. I felt that Jr. brokered a passion of his to his dad and the campaign and the NRA made a decision to back him in a primary and that came together to create what is his position on guns, but now that it is his position he will defend it.

    (Please don't start that bumpstock stuff again. That was either evil genius to stop greater threats to guns or a turncoat on the issue. I have seen no further evidence of the later.)
     

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    Ingomike

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    Is Donald Trump the same man that was inaugurated in 2017? I think not. I believe that some individuals can be placed in the big chair and grow personally and professionally to fill the big chair, to thrive in it, while most will flounder through. DJT has thrived in the big chair, more than any President I have ever witnessed. As a conservative he has done or attempted to do more he promised than any other President I voted for.

    Lindsay Graham said this: "I didn’t like his campaign. Didn’t vote for him, but accepted my defeat and I don’t think the Republican Party has been more united than it is right now. If you’re a social conservative, he’s been a good pro-life president. If you like conservative judges, we have them in abundance. If you wanted to cut taxes, we did, and if you want a strong military, you’ve got it, best since Reagan, and I like taking the fight to the terrorists so I’m here to say that I was wrong and he’s proven to be a good president"

    Do I wish he could have done more than he has for the issues we have in common here? Absolutely! But the regularly spaced mass shootings keep the anti-gun forces riled up and weak knee politicians wouldn't support him in the hearing protection act. I know, bumpstocks! His overall actions have indicated he supports us, he either let us down, or burned a fire gap to keep from losing something really important. I just do not know.

    He has done an admirable job as President in my thinking. Praying for 4 more years...
     

    BugI02

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    Is Donald Trump the same man that was inaugurated in 2017? I think not. I believe that some individuals can be placed in the big chair and grow personally and professionally to fill the big chair, to thrive in it, while most will flounder through. DJT has thrived in the big chair, more than any President I have ever witnessed. As a conservative he has done or attempted to do more he promised than any other President I voted for.

    Lindsay Graham said this: "I didn’t like his campaign. Didn’t vote for him, but accepted my defeat and I don’t think the Republican Party has been more united than it is right now. If you’re a social conservative, he’s been a good pro-life president. If you like conservative judges, we have them in abundance. If you wanted to cut taxes, we did, and if you want a strong military, you’ve got it, best since Reagan, and I like taking the fight to the terrorists so I’m here to say that I was wrong and he’s proven to be a good president"

    Do I wish he could have done more than he has for the issues we have in common here? Absolutely! But the regularly spaced mass shootings keep the anti-gun forces riled up and weak knee politicians wouldn't support him in the hearing protection act. I know, bumpstocks! His overall actions have indicated he supports us, he either let us down, or burned a fire gap to keep from losing something really important. I just do not know.

    He has done an admirable job as President in my thinking. Praying for 4 more years...

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    2A_Tom

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    He is the only President In my lifetime to have tried to keep his campaign promises.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    He is the only President In my lifetime to have tried to keep his campaign promises.

    That’s completely false. Did he not promise not to golf as much as Obama? FAIL. Did he not promise to release his tax returns? FAIL. Did he not promise to address the deficit? FAIL.

    C’mon guys, there were promises, he OBVIOUSLY had not intention of keeping.
     

    2A_Tom

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    Eisenhower, Kennedy (the last decent Democrat President, in spite of his foibles), Johnson (his name says it all), Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan (best in my lifetime), Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and the Great Promise Keeper.
     

    Ingomike

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    That’s completely false. Did he not promise not to golf as much as Obama? FAIL. Did he not promise to release his tax returns? FAIL. Did he not promise to address the deficit? FAIL.

    C’mon guys, there were promises, he OBVIOUSLY had not intention of keeping.

    Golf, tax returns and a problem so big the entire government would have to back it to fix it.

    What he does for leisure is his business.

    Tax returns are a ruling class gotcha to any business man that may want to run. It started with the IRS illegally releasing Nixons as I recall. The reporter that did the story won a Pulitzer prize for printing them.

    Weak sauce...
     

    Phase2

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    I agree, "success and admiration" are what drives him. HIS success and his admiration. He did well in business and entertainment, so he saw one more goal to achieve. However, I think that the welfare of the nation takes a backseat to the goals at which he seeks. Now, if we (the nation) happen to benefit from the things he wishes to obtain, then so much the better; but not a requirement.
    As you would say, that’s completely false. Trump is succeeding and gaining admiration because America is succeeding. He doesn't need all of the backstabbing by former "friendlies", personal attacks, threats to himself and family, reductions to income/wealth by serving this country for free and not paying attention to his primary business of real estate. Thinking that he wants personal aggrandizement in the face of such negatives beggars the imagination of any rational human being. Even if that was somehow true, he already has achieved his "success and admiration" and would have no need to go through this for a second term unless he really wanted to help Americans.

    Trump was disgusted by the levels of corruption that he had viewed in politics and politicians that massively eclipsed any of his own personal failings and thought that he had built a skill set that would allow him to do better than their failed policies which were resulting in American decline. As a consequence, he has become the most politically investigated politician in history and withstood attempts to financially bankrupt him and destroy his family, business and reputation that likely no other human being would have been able to withstand. His ability to withstand these attacks by the Democrats is another source of the admiration he has earned.

    Pointing to a trivial number of broken promises while ignoring the hundreds of kept promises is a double standard I've come to expect. Keep on keeping on.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    As you would say, that’s completely false. Trump is succeeding and gaining admiration because America is succeeding. He doesn't need all of the backstabbing by former "friendlies", personal attacks, threats to himself and family, reductions to income/wealth by serving this country for free and not paying attention to his primary business of real estate. Thinking that he wants personal aggrandizement in the face of such negatives beggars the imagination of any rational human being. Even if that was somehow true, he already has achieved his "success and admiration" and would have no need to go through this for a second term unless he really wanted to help Americans.

    Trump was disgusted by the levels of corruption that he had viewed in politics and politicians that massively eclipsed any of his own personal failings and thought that he had built a skill set that would allow him to do better than their failed policies which were resulting in American decline. As a consequence, he has become the most politically investigated politician in history and withstood attempts to financially bankrupt him and destroy his family, business and reputation that likely no other human being would have been able to withstand. His ability to withstand these attacks by the Democrats is another source of the admiration he has earned.

    Pointing to a trivial number of broken promises while ignoring the hundreds of kept promises is a double standard I've come to expect. Keep on keeping on.

    Did he not say he would eliminate the debt? He’s not even paying down the interest. As I recall he made a boast that he would fix it. How about not touching Medicare and protecting patients with pre-existing conditions? He made that promise at the SOTU, and was lying through his teeth, as not even a week later his administration was in court doing to opposite. Are those also trivial?
     

    KG1

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    I’ll tell you something DJT is not. He’s not Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Pete Buttgieg or Michael Bloomberg and who else am I forgetting? Hmmm..... Oh yeah, Amy Klobuchar.

    There might be another one but he slips my mind at the moment. Oh well.
     

    jamil

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    DJT is the president who could pardon a former Democrat governor of Illinois, infamous for trying to sell a US Senate seat to the highest bidder. But, to KG’s point, he’s not a socialist, a nanny stater, SJW, etcetera. So I guess I have to put up with a bad but better than the alternatives choice.
     

    Ingomike

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    Did he not say he would eliminate the debt? He’s not even paying down the interest. As I recall he made a boast that he would fix it. How about not touching Medicare and protecting patients with pre-existing conditions? He made that promise at the SOTU, and was lying through his teeth, as not even a week later his administration was in court doing to opposite. Are those also trivial?

    In court do exactly what? See no news of it...
     
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