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    Quote Originally Posted by foszoe View Post
    you are right.

    Were you happy with the performance of the Republican party when they held the Senate, House, and of course the Presidency?
    No, I was not. I haven't been happy with Republican (or Democrat) legislators for a long time. Happy with Trump, but he can only do so much without the backing of the legislators. Unfortunately their own dislike of him was the cause of their inaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoggyDaddy View Post
    No, I was not. I haven't been happy with Republican (or Democrat) legislators for a long time. Happy with Trump, but he can only do so much without the backing of the legislators. Unfortunately their own dislike of him was the cause of their inaction.
    I don't think their dislike of Trump had much to do with not doing anything. More like a fear of actually doing anything period. I'm kind of surprised they managed to get the tax changes passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KLB View Post
    I don't think their dislike of Trump had much to do with not doing anything. More like a fear of actually doing anything period. I'm kind of surprised they managed to get the tax changes passed.
    It might not have been the only reason, but I'm guessing it probably contributed.

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    Although paying people unemployment PLUS $600 for staying home doing nothing gives me heartburn,

    being paid as a US Senator for doing even less for a lot more $ and a retirement plan makes me
    I all too often ran out of talent well before the exit of the turn. (© Señor Mouse)

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    Seems to me somebody on this board is quite critical of other people citing the wiki, now if i can just remember who ...
    Who knew liberty would contain so many stems and seeds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpo View Post
    $2 trillion social program. Trump administration.

    Gotcha
    How big was the one your girl Nancy wanted to enact instead?

    Two questions

    Are you saying the government should have done nothing in that case?

    And, are you saying any Democrat had a better and more fiscally responsible alternative?
    Who knew liberty would contain so many stems and seeds

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamil View Post
    If nothing else illustrates the relationship between former tea partiers and trumpers, this should do it. The tea party did not morph into trumpism. The tea party is dead. Trumpism is something different. It's like the boyfriend looking at the new girl meme. The point of the meme is dropping the old and going with the new.
    When somebody discovers a party that is for smaller/less government, not in the breech but with a record of action, I hope they'll point me to the website. Because it seems to me every party likes them some government spending on their priorities, whether that is modernization and strengthening the US military and infrastructure or replacing fossil fuels with renewables, free healthcare for all and free college

    One sides priorities are the other's frivolous expenditures and vice versa, the disagreement isn't over spending just what kind of spending. The argument is moot, those not demonstrably for shrinking governments footprint have no standing
    Who knew liberty would contain so many stems and seeds

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    Quote Originally Posted by foszoe View Post
    Did Trump cut spending in the first years of his Presidency?

    I am not pointing fingers here to be clear. I too was favorable to the tea party and then voted for Trump, mostly due to SCOTUS but also due to wanting the swamp drained. I have seen regulatory cuts and been glad for that. I have seen SCOTUS appointments and judges that make me happy.

    However, as I have said before, never hesitated to vote 3rd party and the old reasons to keep me in line that worked in the past aren't gonna work with this guy. He's reminds me of the Pink Panther. Stumbles into being right and one wonders'how the hell he did it. I am more certain it's others keeping him in line like the old car ride rail in the days of childhood that no matter how hard one tries to go off track just won't quite let it.

    I am not convinced that can continue another 4 years.
    Did any president of the modern era cut spending in his first year? Then what's your point?

    The following data is sourced from the US Gov't Printing office and is for the total US Federal Budget. The TQ entry is for the transition quarter when the fiscal year changed from July to July over to October to October

    The first column is the year, the second total expenditures (in millions of dollars). I would have highlighted the years in which a president cut spending in his first year, but there were none. There were four years in which year over year spending fell which are highlighted in green


    1960 92,191
    1961 97,723
    1962 106,821
    1963 111,316
    1964 118,528
    1965 118,228
    1966 134,532
    1967 157,464
    1968 178,134
    1969 183,640
    1970 195,649
    1971 210,172
    1972 230,681
    1973 245,707
    1974 269,359
    1975 332,332
    1976 371,792
    TQ ⁶ 95,975
    1977 409,218
    1978 458,746
    1979 504,028
    1980 590,941
    1981 678,241
    1982 745,743
    1983 808,364
    1984 851,805
    1985 946,344
    1986 990,382
    1987 1,004,017
    1988 1,064,416
    1989 1,143,744
    1990 1,252,994
    1991 1,324,226
    1992 1,381,529
    1993 1,409,386
    1994 1,461,753
    1995 1,515,742
    1996 1,560,484
    1997 1,601,116
    1998 1,652,458
    1999 1,701,842
    2000 1,788,950
    2001 1,862,846
    2002 2,010,894
    2003 2,159,899
    2004 2,292,841
    2005 2,471,957
    2006 2,655,050
    2007 2,728,686
    2008 2,982,544
    2009 3,517,677
    2010 3,457,079
    2011 3,603,059
    2012 3,537,127
    2013 3,454,605
    2014 3,650,526
    2015 3,900,989
    2016 4,099,078
    2017 4,268,606
    2018 4,443,145
    2019 4,728,791
    Who knew liberty would contain so many stems and seeds

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugI02 View Post
    Did any president of the modern era cut spending in his first year? Then what's your point?

    The following data is sourced from the US Gov't Printing office and is for the total US Federal Budget. The TQ entry is for the transition quarter when the fiscal year changed from July to July over to October to October

    The first column is the year, the second total expenditures (in millions of dollars). I would have highlighted the years in which a president cut spending in his first year, but there were none. There were four years in which year over year spending fell which are highlighted in green


    1960 92,191
    1961 97,723
    1962 106,821
    1963 111,316
    1964 118,528
    1965 118,228
    1966 134,532
    1967 157,464
    1968 178,134
    1969 183,640
    1970 195,649
    1971 210,172
    1972 230,681
    1973 245,707
    1974 269,359
    1975 332,332
    1976 371,792
    TQ ⁶ 95,975
    1977 409,218
    1978 458,746
    1979 504,028
    1980 590,941
    1981 678,241
    1982 745,743
    1983 808,364
    1984 851,805
    1985 946,344
    1986 990,382
    1987 1,004,017
    1988 1,064,416
    1989 1,143,744
    1990 1,252,994
    1991 1,324,226
    1992 1,381,529
    1993 1,409,386
    1994 1,461,753
    1995 1,515,742
    1996 1,560,484
    1997 1,601,116
    1998 1,652,458
    1999 1,701,842
    2000 1,788,950
    2001 1,862,846
    2002 2,010,894
    2003 2,159,899
    2004 2,292,841
    2005 2,471,957
    2006 2,655,050
    2007 2,728,686
    2008 2,982,544
    2009 3,517,677
    2010 3,457,079
    2011 3,603,059
    2012 3,537,127
    2013 3,454,605
    2014 3,650,526
    2015 3,900,989
    2016 4,099,078
    2017 4,268,606
    2018 4,443,145
    2019 4,728,791
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    Draining the swamp....by adding more water. Trickle economics.

    It dilutes the swamp, I guess.

    I all too often ran out of talent well before the exit of the turn. (© Señor Mouse)

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