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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Mason View Post
    Look up "constricted airflow " and get back to me.
    I looked it up. The ductwork in my house appears fine.

    Not defending bad police work, but if someone is talking, they can breath just like if someone is coughing, they are not choking in the sense they can't breathe. It is biology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty View Post
    I looked it up. The ductwork in my house appears fine.

    Not defending bad police work, but if someone is talking, they can breath just like if someone is coughing, they are not choking in the sense they can't breathe. It is biology.
    Yet he is dead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty View Post
    I looked it up. The ductwork in my house appears fine.

    Not defending bad police work, but if someone is talking, they can breath just like if someone is coughing, they are not choking in the sense they can't breathe. It is biology.
    Please explain that to my MIL. About once a year she's "dying while choking on food" all the time telling us she "can't breath" and somebody needs to do that heinilick proceedure. Panic is her problem. It's been going on so long it's become comedy.
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    I was mad when I first saw the video. Not hang them mad. I still have trouble understanding how you can be choked from the back of the neck. If the guy didn't die, we wouldn't be talking about it. The cause of death should clear things up. The guy was pleading for air and it was smugly ignored while continuing this technique. The optics are bad for this one.

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    Sometimes when things happen...

    For a while now I've been about halfway expecting to see provocateur action for cranking up race problems for political purposes. This doesn't look like it was that but I've got the feeling that's on the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoggyDaddy View Post
    Just saying that these high publicity, emotionally charged incidents do a lot of harm to the image of police everywhere (wrongly) just as people doing stupid **** with guns and little kids dying because of it (again, high publicity, emotionally charged) does a lot of harm to the gun owning community. Neither situation is representative of either group, but they give the SJW's and anti-gunners ammo for their disinformation campaigns.
    Well said and I agree 100%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigblitz View Post
    I still have trouble understanding how you can be choked from the back of the neck.
    That's why I said what I said about the autopsy. I strongly doubt choking will be the cause of death. Excited delirium and/or positional asphyxiation will be. A simplified way to understand it is that in the same way adrenaline can let you overcome your body's natural resistance to self-injury by overtaxing your muscles (letting you exceed your normal strength but at the cost of damage to your muscles), certain drugs do the same thing. You overtax yourself through exertion to the point your cardio-vascular system muscles get too tired/damaged to keep going, your diaphragm stops, your heart stops, whatever. Ordinarily we pass out before we can do that much damage to ourselves. The drugs override that.

    That's why you don't leave them on their stomach, it makes those muscles have to work harder then if they are sitting or on their side. For healthy and sober people, it's not an issue. For people on the edge of excited delirium, it can be what pushes them over the edge. I strongly suspect that guy would have died even if they'd just left him laying on his stomach with nobody touching him. Maybe even if he'd never had any interaction with the police at all, at which time it'd just be another overdose death and nobody would ever hear about it or care.
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    Disclaimer: I haven’t read every post on this thread.

    I would give law enforcement any means necessary to restrain and control until subdued an individual who is combative. However, I can’t get comfortable with multiple officers “restraining” an individual once he/she is on the ground and cuffed. In this case, reportedly, one of the officers had his knee on the guys neck for over seven minutes. If the perp is cuffed what’s the purpose/need for the physical restraint seen in the video.

    I’m not buying the “ I feared for my life” assertion here.

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    I wasn't there so I'm staying out of the "right or wrong". But I do think trashing your own city due this incident is rather idiotic. The weather forecast looks nice tonight in Minneapolis, I expect tons of damage to the city. Sadly, I'm sure there are caravans of agitators enroute.
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    No, I'm pretty sure Chubbs was telling the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amboy49 View Post
    Disclaimer: I haven’t read every post on this thread.

    I would give law enforcement any means necessary to restrain and control until subdued an individual who is combative. However, I can’t get comfortable with multiple officers “restraining” an individual once he/she is on the ground and cuffed. In this case, reportedly, one of the officers had his knee on the guys neck for over seven minutes. If the perp is cuffed what’s the purpose/need for the physical restraint seen in the video.

    I’m not buying the “ I feared for my life” assertion here.
    Especially in this case I would agree the video appears to show that any resistance that would justify further restraint had stopped. Once the person is in custody their care becomes the responsibility of LE to help keep them safe.

    From my perspective there was failure to follow training. I have to question why another officer didn't attempt to get the kneeling officer to back off and roll the suspect over or sit him up. Heck make an attempt to do the right thing...even if you have to lean in and say 'bro ease up they are video taping you'. Even if he wasn't shutting off his own actions there appears to have been enough LE to get the guy to stand down and de escalate the situation. But nobody did that..even after the suspect clearly went limp. Again my perspective is knowing everyone has a video camera covering you partners six may require you to get someone else on scene to back off. In turn it may lessen the long term impact it may have on you and your career.

    I fully support LE, and try to understand why certain things are done the way they are done. But this one looks real bad on the surface

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