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    Oh great... watching NBC news and apparently Obama has weighed in on this now. Can't wait to hear his take on it (not).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwikLS View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by GPIA7R View Post
    Y.... Y-you've seen the videos, right?





    I get holding judgement on some things... but video can take a lot of that speculation away
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    Right here this is what I'm talkin about.



    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZNtGpRW...jpg&name=large




    How many times has it been said on these forums not to jump to conclusions when these types of events happen.

    Edit: and more https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...mbined-health/

    I mean it seems to me they are saying he didn't die from being choked to death from the officer's knee on him. Instead, they seem to be suggesting he died from a heart attack because of the stress of the situation. Therefore, IF that is proven true, the officer may not be guilty of murder.

    I can hear the defense attorney's question now, "Doctor, in your expert opinion, if Mr Floyd had not had a heart attack, would he have survive 9 mins with the defendant's knee on his neck?"

    and depending on the answer, it could be case closed.
    .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwikLS View Post
    Its probably already been said in this thread but we don't know all the evidence.

    And now even some LEs are jumping on the prejudgement bandwagon.
    Negative. LE are jumping on the they ****ed up bandwagon. And they did. Positional asphyxiation, like I said. The knee on the neck is a different issue. Holding a guy down on his face is a known risk in LE and one that was not warranted here. But let's branch out. You give me ANY scenario that allows a police officer to legally and ethically hold a suspect who is not physically combative prone. Any scenario at all. He shot a cop fifteen seconds before they handcuffed him. He kicked the **** out of twelve officers and knocked out a mule. Anything at all you like. You do that and I'll kiss your ass in front of the courthouse and you give you half an hour to draw a crowd. But you can't, because it doesn't exist. Once he's under control it is the officer's responsibility to safeguard him and his health.

    Dude, this **** is not academic to me. I've had an in-custody death. It was a fight that left me seriously injured and him, eventually, dead. It sucked worse then shooting someone a hundred fold. Shooting someone who needed to be shot was nothing. I was actually a little worried about how not worried I was. Being involved in a man's death that I didn't mean to die was heart-wrenching. You know what saved me from a massive civil suit? It was recorded. I made him lay on his side. I held him there despite him continuing to fight me and a deputy and despite the fact I was injured and needed medical aid myself. On the recording you can hear me telling him he can't lay on his stomach because it can kill him while he yells "eff you" at me. He was alive when I left him to get in an ambulance myself but was dead when he arrived at lockup.

    So tell me, give me one scenario where these guys were justified in holding down someone not fighting them, even if he had been fighting earlier.

    Save your judgey bull**** for someone who hasn't been there.
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    Ben Crump clearly has no idea about the law. While I agree that this was likely murder, there is no way it could be construed as first degree (pre-meditated) murder. He's a scumbag. No better than an ambulance chaser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    Negative. LE are jumping on the they ****ed up bandwagon. And they did. Positional asphyxiation, like I said. The knee on the neck is a different issue. Holding a guy down on his face is a known risk in LE and one that was not warranted here. But let's branch out. You give me ANY scenario that allows a police officer to legally and ethically hold a suspect who is not physically combative prone. Any scenario at all. He shot a cop fifteen seconds before they handcuffed him. He kicked the **** out of twelve officers and knocked out a mule. Anything at all you like. You do that and I'll kiss your ass in front of the courthouse and you give you half an hour to draw a crowd. But you can't, because it doesn't exist. Once he's under control it is the officer's responsibility to safeguard him and his health.

    Dude, this **** is not academic to me. I've had an in-custody death. It was a fight that left me seriously injured and him, eventually, dead. It sucked worse then shooting someone a hundred fold. Shooting someone who needed to be shot was nothing. I was actually a little worried about how not worried I was. Being involved in a man's death that I didn't mean to die was heart-wrenching. You know what saved me from a massive civil suit? It was recorded. I made him lay on his side. I held him there despite him continuing to fight me and a deputy and despite the fact I was injured and needed medical aid myself. On the recording you can hear me telling him he can't lay on his stomach because it can kill him while he yells "eff you" at me. He was alive when I left him to get in an ambulance myself but was dead when he arrived at lockup.

    So tell me, give me one scenario where these guys were justified in holding down someone not fighting them, even if he had been fighting earlier.

    Save your judgey bull**** for someone who hasn't been there.
    Everything I'm seeing on the news backs you up BBI (unsurprisingly). Everything that you've said all along is being repeated.

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    Anybody who knows me personally and wants to see a video of officers doing it right, let me know. I recently did an administrative review of use of force (required for anything other than unresisted handcuffing on my department) where officers had to use force on a guy who, while high and probably mentally ill, and destroyed a gas station bathroom. Like tearing stuff off the walls level of destruction. He had human excrement on and around him. He had to be handcuffed and leg shackled before he stopped fighting and, as mentioned, covered in filth. They held him down by his pelvis and legs and had him on his side. They recognized the risk factors and used their training and professionalism. They did it right.

    So, anybody, open challenge. Get your ass kissed in the town square. Justify not being able to put this guy on his side. Justify continuing to hold him down with weight on his torso.
    L'otters are not afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoggyDaddy View Post
    Everything I'm seeing on the news backs you up BBI (unsurprisingly). Everything that you've said all along is being repeated.
    Like I said, man, not my first rodeo and none of this is secret in LE circles. I'm not some unique guru here. This stuff has been known for decades. This isn't just somebody losing their temper and getting in a "late hit" or the like. I can understand and forgive that. You've got to pay for it, actions have consequences, but I understand. This I can't understand. I hate it. I hate the reaction to it. That's why I said what I said about participation. Not that I feel like somebody is picking on me or the like, but holy **** how much negativity do I need to roll in? For what? I'm taking tomorrow off work and going to the woods. If the world burns somebody else can put it out. I'm done.
    L'otters are not afraid.

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    Some wisdom from Lil Wayne. Never thought Id say that.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/lil-w...t-we-dont-know
    Don't practice until you do it right; practice until you can't do it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    Like I said, man, not my first rodeo and none of this is secret in LE circles. I'm not some unique guru here. This stuff has been known for decades. This isn't just somebody losing their temper and getting in a "late hit" or the like. I can understand and forgive that. You've got to pay for it, actions have consequences, but I understand. This I can't understand. I hate it. I hate the reaction to it. That's why I said what I said about participation. Not that I feel like somebody is picking on me or the like, but holy **** how much negativity do I need to roll in? For what? I'm taking tomorrow off work and going to the woods. If the world burns somebody else can put it out. I'm done.
    Enjoy your time in the woods! That sounds like a good plan. I'm ready for some woods time myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianPatriot View Post
    Some wisdom from Lil Wayne. Never thought Id say that.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/lil-w...t-we-dont-know
    Wow. Agreed, he articulated it better than I could have. Colin Kaepernick should listen to him.

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