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    Quote Originally Posted by Studio 417 View Post
    Wasn't sure where to ask this, but since it will probably go political, it should fit here.

    There's a few debates on a Covid-19 vaccine, when it becomes available, and whether or not the government can force an individual to be vaccinated.
    Is it legal for the government to force the population to be vaccinated? Does anyone have facts, and a link?

    Would you be vaccinated, either willingly, or if required?
    So, there's a hypothetical vaccine that will most likely prevent me from getting a an illness that could leave me sick in bed for weeks, or potentially give me lifelong complications, or in the case of hundreds of thousands of people, kill me.

    WTF wouldn't I get that?
    WTF would the govt need to mandate it?


    We've had the "vaccines give you teh austim!" threads her before; let's not do it again.


    And someone will be along shortly to point you to case law showing mandatory vaccinations are unconstitutional. (I'm not doing your homework for you)
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    Another factor that is worth considering: studies are showing that herd immunity may not be possible for COVID-19 https://english.elpais.com/society/2...box=1594042479

    "The Spanish overall figure of 5% is in line with studies in other European countries that showed a prevalence of 4% to 5%, far below the rate that would provide the population with so-called herd immunity, and which experts place at 60% at the very least."

    " In fact, the survey revealed that between the first and second wave of testing, 7% of subjects no longer tested positive for antibodies. Between the first and the third, this rate rose to 14%"

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    Short answer: Yes, states can at least. Whether the feds can is an open question (I say "no") and probably irrelevant.

    Long answer:

    Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905).

    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/
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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaKnight View Post
    So, there's a hypothetical vaccine that will most likely prevent me from getting a an illness that could leave me sick in bed for weeks, or potentially give me lifelong complications, or in the case of hundreds of thousands of people, kill me.

    WTF wouldn't I get that?
    WTF would the govt need to mandate it?


    We've had the "vaccines give you teh austim!" threads her before; let's not do it again.


    And someone will be along shortly to point you to case law showing mandatory vaccinations are unconstitutional. (I'm not doing your homework for you)

    You first. I'll hang back and see how being an early adopter plays out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Studio 417 View Post
    WOW! Settle down and take a breathe. I've researched, found varying information, and figured this crowd would have definitive facts.
    I thought level heads would prevail here.

    It was just a question, it won't happen again. You seem wound a little tight.
    Yeah, I am. It's Tuesday, the boss is in the office, and it's frickin' hot out.



    [Jetta, wearing his mirrored sunglasses, lean back in this wood chair and removed the toothpick from mouth...]

    I see a new guy, low post count, askin' 'round about vaccines and figured you must be one of them Jenny McCarthy types...



    In all seriousness, there's no vaccine or even a clue about one that works, so what research have you done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugI02 View Post
    You first. I'll hang back and see how being an early adopter plays out
    My guess my wife would be first if it allows her to remove her mask in the office.
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    Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaKnight View Post
    ...In all seriousness, there's no vaccine or even a clue about one that works, so what research have you done?
    I agree that there is no approved vaccine. I would not go so far as to say that there is no "clue about one that works". There are 145 in development and some have shown early promise, but need more testing. The process, thus far, has moved faster than any vaccine development in history. Whether that ends up being a good thing or not, remains to be seen.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e-tracker.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Studio 417 View Post
    WOW! Settle down and take a breathe. I've researched, found varying information, and figured this crowd would have definitive facts.
    I thought level heads would prevail here.


    It was just a question, it won't happen again. You seem wound a little tight.
    to . I see you're new here.


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