The nerve of Californians and wild fires.

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  • Leadeye

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    The dirty corrupt secret of the fire problem out there isn't that it burns, it always has. What is different now is the high density housing mixed into the areas that burn. When you build a high density vinyl village in an area that you know burns with regularity it's like lining up populated match heads in a row. Real estate developers, law firms and their well connected bureaucrats get rich while the land burns as it has for a long time. People sit in the ashes of shock and ask why this happened and then pick up their insurance check and rebuild the same kind of house in the same place. Blame global warming, sue the electrical utilities, whatever it takes to keep that river of cash flowing.
     

    churchmouse

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    The dirty corrupt secret of the fire problem out there isn't that it burns, it always has. What is different now is the high density housing mixed into the areas that burn. When you build a high density vinyl village in an area that you know burns with regularity it's like lining up populated match heads in a row. Real estate developers, law firms and their well connected bureaucrats get rich while the land burns as it has for a long time. People sit in the ashes of shock and ask why this happened and then pick up their insurance check and rebuild the same kind of house in the same place. Blame global warming, sue the electrical utilities, whatever it takes to keep that river of cash flowing.

    And to finish this off.....Follow the money.

    And the man in the suit has just bought a new car from the profits he made off your dreams.
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    And to finish this off.....Follow the money.

    And the man in the suit has just bought a new car from the profits he made off your dreams.

    I was just going to ask if there was something we should follow! :):

    As to the Traffic lyric, you know what happened to the man in the suit, right? (Those darned "silencers" ;))

    But it wasn't the bullet that laid him to rest...

    And now I'm off to youtube. :)
     

    Cameramonkey

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    And its not just the overpopulating burn-ey areas. Its the econazis preventing prescribed burns because they are bad for the ecosystem, air quality, etc. They fail to grasp this stuff is SUPPOSED to burn every couple years. You end up with small, helpful (seeds, grasses, etc) fires every 5 years, instead of huge infernos.

    The small burns are great for some seeds and many grasses. Some pines dont release seeds from the cones until they are heated. And once that happens more pines grow. UNTIL... no fire happens for years and then the inferno comes through, utterly destroying the cone AND the seed. Now permanent damage has been done.
     

    churchmouse

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    I was just going to ask if there was something we should follow! :):

    As to the Traffic lyric, you know what happened to the man in the suit, right? (Those darned "silencers" ;))

    But it wasn't the bullet that laid him to rest...

    And now I'm off to youtube. :)

    Was the low spark of high heeled boys...........

    I was not sure anyone would catch that.
     

    churchmouse

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    And its not just the overpopulating burn-ey areas. Its the econazis preventing prescribed burns because they are bad for the ecosystem, air quality, etc. They fail to grasp this stuff is SUPPOSED to burn every couple years. You end up with small, helpful (seeds, grasses, etc) fires every 5 years, instead of huge infernos.

    The small burns are great for some seeds and many grasses. Some pines dont release seeds from the cones until they are heated. And once that happens more pines grow. UNTIL... no fire happens for years and then the inferno comes through, utterly destroying the cone AND the seed. Now permanent damage has been done.

    Try and make sense to these nut sacks. Just try.
     

    jamil

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    I've been looking for a cogent explanation for what rolling blackouts have to do with wildfires. Especially, why now? They had rolling blackouts back in the early 2000s. I remember hearing about those. They said it was because their power grid was old and ****. Okay, so they fixed that and I haven't heard of them having to endure anymore rolling blackouts until now. Why? Usually I find just a restatement of the need, and not a lower level discussion of causes and effects. But then I found, tucked away in a LG&E Q&A page, a statement to the effect that blames it on global warming, that the need to replace fossil fuels with green energy makes the capacity less, because the new energy sources haven't replaced the capacity of the old energy sources, so they have to shut things down when demand exceeds supply. You know. So **** the power grid isn't over-stressed and some transformer or substation blows up and sparks a fire that consumes 1M acres of rich people's estates.

    Solution--3 things: 1) use more fossil fuels during peak times to meet demand. And as efficiency of green energy increases, taper off use of fossil fuels. Don't worry, Coronavirus has obviously, miraculously, saved us from global warming. 2) start managing forests in a way that reduces the likelihood of uncontrollable fires. 3) in dry season, tell people it's not all that important to set off fireworks just to reveal the gender of your baby. Really. No one else gives a **** about YOUR kid--it IS California after all.

    This problem is 100% California-ethos induced policies and behaviors. And please keep the California ****tard virus contained within your borders. We don't need that to get out into the wild. You already ****ed up Colorado and are trying to **** up Utah, Idaho and Texas.
     

    BugI02

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    Don't forget that, because of their internal insufficiency, they constantly import excess power from neighboring states. The rolling blackouts are also partially because those neighboring states like Arizona and Nevada were caught in the same heat wave and had far less excess power to sell to Cali. Having closed many of its non-green generating plants, Cali couldn't have done peaking for their own demands even if they had wanted to

    How much you want to bet wealthy, influential areas endure either no or few blackouts?
     

    foszoe

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    Their biggest problem now is solar fall off as the evening peak rolls in. That peak will get more pronounced as winter rolls in. In the "cooler" fall months, generation begins taking planned outages for winter here in the midwest. Not sure what the pattern is out there. The most difficult time in the midwest is if there hot weather after the start of "outage" season. The power is usually available but the transmission grid has a difficult time transferring it.

    Out west its similar. They have 500 kV lines running the coast with parallel 230 kV circuits. They have to protect to n-1 so loss of a 500 kV circuit will usually result in overloads on the 230 kV paths. That is the long term problem. Now with a sudden decrease of solar/wind, it makes it mroe difficult to manage.

    I've been looking for a cogent explanation for what rolling blackouts have to do with wildfires. Especially, why now? They had rolling blackouts back in the early 2000s. I remember hearing about those. They said it was because their power grid was old and ****. Okay, so they fixed that and I haven't heard of them having to endure anymore rolling blackouts until now. Why? Usually I find just a restatement of the need, and not a lower level discussion of causes and effects. But then I found, tucked away in a LG&E Q&A page, a statement to the effect that blames it on global warming, that the need to replace fossil fuels with green energy makes the capacity less, because the new energy sources haven't replaced the capacity of the old energy sources, so they have to shut things down when demand exceeds supply. You know. So **** the power grid isn't over-stressed and some transformer or substation blows up and sparks a fire that consumes 1M acres of rich people's estates.

    Solution--3 things: 1) use more fossil fuels during peak times to meet demand. And as efficiency of green energy increases, taper off use of fossil fuels. Don't worry, Coronavirus has obviously, miraculously, saved us from global warming. 2) start managing forests in a way that reduces the likelihood of uncontrollable fires. 3) in dry season, tell people it's not all that important to set off fireworks just to reveal the gender of your baby. Really. No one else gives a **** about YOUR kid--it IS California after all.

    This problem is 100% California-ethos induced policies and behaviors. And please keep the California ****tard virus contained within your borders. We don't need that to get out into the wild. You already ****ed up Colorado and are trying to **** up Utah, Idaho and Texas.
     

    wtburnette

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    I watched a video on it a while back. CA and eco groups sued the electric co so that they couldn't upgrade their infrastructure, plus were forced to move almost all new investment in renewable energies instead of the fossil fuels that would have prevented much of the issues. Add to that they're closing down the nuclear plant(s) and it's only going to get worse. That's what corruption + feel good policies with no basis in reality gets you.
     

    Alamo

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    I've been looking for a cogent explanation for what rolling blackouts have to do with wildfires. ...

    The Camp Fire in 2018, which burned down entire towns and was IIRC the "deadliest" California wild fire to date, was blamed on PG&E's "negligent" maintenance of power lines and infrastructure resulted in lawsuits and an $11B "agreement" with some insurers. Unspoken in this is whether PG&E's maintenance program was hobbled by green regulations mentioned in a previous post and the fact that California likes to cap the rates at which consumers can buy electricity but because of other green initiatives the supply of electricity generated in California is often insufficient so power has to be purchased from other states at market prices. Thus PG&E gets stuck between a rock and hard place. PG&E probably has its own list of sins to atone for, but it is operating in a difficult... regulatory climate.

    One of the causes of wild fires in California are active power lines that get blown down by wind, or by trees and limbs blown down by wind. Fire season is windy season in California. Thus to reduce PG&E's risk of liability due to powerlines being knocked down, particularly if it's been awhile since they've been inspected and maintained, PG&E simply stops using those powerlines during windy conditions. Thus periods of blackout for people serviced by those lines.
     

    jamil

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    That one is very well thought out. I mean, we see a bunch of those posted from Babylon Bee, and of course we tend to see only those which are good enough for INGO. That one is high quality satire.
     

    ditcherman

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    I was told by a BLM - the BLM of the good old days, the Bureau of Land Management - Public Affairs Officer that was involved in Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument during the big shrink that environmental advocates didn't have anything to worry about as far as coal exploitation because California drove the market and they would not buy any power made with fossil fuels. Imagine the commitment and infrastructure needed just to keep track of where the power came from and how it was made, when all the lines are connected anyway. That's how far off the rocker these people are.
     
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