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Thread: Just What Is It That DJ Trump That Inflames Passions? Who Is Against Him? Why?

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    I think the rank and file anti-Trumpers become incensed because they hit him with everything that comes to hand and he still won't go down. It's at the point where they are just flailing wildly. Many of them probably have never seen a republican fight back and do so effectively
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingomike View Post
    Socialists. (Don't want a strong economy because it negates their message of misery. They hated the lowest unemployment for minority's ever, under Trump.)
    I think this is a little off base for some people. While there are fringe people who likely identify as pure socialists, you'll more likely find democratic socialists who want more government intervention, higher tax rates, and expansion of social programs. While I don't want these things now, there was a time when I 100% did want these things. People are often sold the idea, especially in higher education, that the only way to care for and help people is to increase social programs, increase taxes, and allow the government to "take care" of its people. I believe that most people who say they want socialism just want to help people who they consider to be less fortunate, but the way they want to achieve that is not in line with freedom and liberty. I'm sure there are some that will never change their minds. That said, I really believe showing people the benefits of capitalism for working class people is the best way to go about getting rid of widespread support for socialist policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahG View Post
    I think this is a little off base for some people. While there are fringe people who likely identify as pure socialists, you'll more likely find democratic socialists who want more government intervention, higher tax rates, and expansion of social programs. While I don't want these things now, there was a time when I 100% did want these things. People are often sold the idea, especially in higher education, that the only way to care for and help people is to increase social programs, increase taxes, and allow the government to "take care" of its people. I believe that most people who say they want socialism just want to help people who they consider to be less fortunate, but the way they want to achieve that is not in line with freedom and liberty. I'm sure there are some that will never change their minds. That said, I really believe showing people the benefits of capitalism for working class people is the best way to go about getting rid of widespread support for socialist policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahG View Post
    I think this is a little off base for some people. While there are fringe people who likely identify as pure socialists, you'll more likely find democratic socialists who want more government intervention, higher tax rates, and expansion of social programs. While I don't want these things now, there was a time when I 100% did want these things. People are often sold the idea, especially in higher education, that the only way to care for and help people is to increase social programs, increase taxes, and allow the government to "take care" of its people. I believe that most people who say they want socialism just want to help people who they consider to be less fortunate, but the way they want to achieve that is not in line with freedom and liberty. I'm sure there are some that will never change their minds. That said, I really believe showing people the benefits of capitalism for working class people is the best way to go about getting rid of widespread support for socialist policies.
    Well said.
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    I think it because he owes nobody, there is no political favors to be called in and he states what he is going to do, and does it. He's brash, don't take no and hit's back harder than the shot they took at him.

    Plus, he's not a career politician, not in it for the money, but for the good of the country.
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    I hesitate to even get involved in this conversation, because I don't want to get into a long-winded diatribe about what's wrong with the Democratic and Republican parties.

    I'm just going to try to sum it up, and hope I don't get sucked into a more detailed opinion.

    The Democratic party, since the inception of our country, has been working to move our country more leftward, into democracy. The Republican party has been working to maintain our government as a constitutional republic. They are playing the same game, but the Democratic party has just plain gotten better at playing the game than the Republican party.

    President Trump is not an insider to their game. He's an outsider who doesn't follow the same long-established mores of the political community. This infuriates both parties, because he exposes the back room shenanigans of both parties. He has exposed the socialist/communist agenda of the left, and the weakness of the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahG View Post
    I think this is a little off base for some people. While there are fringe people who likely identify as pure socialists, you'll more likely find democratic socialists who want more government intervention, higher tax rates, and expansion of social programs. While I don't want these things now, there was a time when I 100% did want these things. People are often sold the idea, especially in higher education, that the only way to care for and help people is to increase social programs, increase taxes, and allow the government to "take care" of its people. I believe that most people who say they want socialism just want to help people who they consider to be less fortunate, but the way they want to achieve that is not in line with freedom and liberty. I'm sure there are some that will never change their minds. That said, I really believe showing people the benefits of capitalism for working class people is the best way to go about getting rid of widespread support for socialist policies.
    The problem with capitalism/freedom/liberty is that itís hard and requires self-discipline, sacrifice, perseverance, etc. All of those qualities are now considered racist or whatever by the woke.

    We always hear about compassion and empathy from liberals. Compassion and empathy are fantastic ways to interact with individuals but are truly terrible ways to form policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamil View Post
    Democrats/left now control all the major institutions. Theyíre the establishment now. Where else are establishment Republicans gonna go?A problem they have, at least the ones like Dan Coats, donít have enough hair left to let Biden sniff.
    I recently read something to the affect of

    If academia, Hollywood, MSM, and big corporations agree with you, you ain't anti-establishment...

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    Was a little disappointed that there were no more additions to the list of those against Trump and Biden since the first post by twangbanger...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahG View Post
    I think this is a little off base for some people. While there are fringe people who likely identify as pure socialists, you'll more likely find democratic socialists who want more government intervention, higher tax rates, and expansion of social programs. While I don't want these things now, there was a time when I 100% did want these things. People are often sold the idea, especially in higher education, that the only way to care for and help people is to increase social programs, increase taxes, and allow the government to "take care" of its people. I believe that most people who say they want socialism just want to help people who they consider to be less fortunate, but the way they want to achieve that is not in line with freedom and liberty. I'm sure there are some that will never change their minds. That said, I really believe showing people the benefits of capitalism for working class people is the best way to go about getting rid of widespread support for socialist policies.
    There was a time when I was younger when I hated the idea of war. When I was a kid, my best friend's brother was drafted, and went to war as an Army Infantryman in Vietnam. At the time, I watched the evening news with great interest to see the stories about the war in Vietnam. We would even play Vietnam with our toy guns, and practice killing VC. Thankfully, he came back alive, but the stories he told me and my friend about his experience (stories that probably shouldn't have been to told to kids ), shaped my view of war into my teen years. Of course, as I matured, I realized that war is sometimes necessary, and even righteous, and I even signed up as an Army Infantryman myself. More because my Dad had been one than my friend's brother.

    So I do understand about changing your views with age. What's the old adage? "If you're not a liberal at 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at age 35, you have no brain". I guess those ages are not hard lines, because we all mature differently.

    To your point about helping people, I used to contribute to charites when I was younger. Even as a teen, I bought meals or gave what meager amounts I could to the homeless when I would visit the downtown area. As I got older, the more the government taxed me, the less I gave to charity, until I reached the point where I give no money to charity at all. I still donate stuff to Goodwill and the Salvation Army, but it's just stuff I would have thrown away anyway. I understand that this plays right into the Democrats' plans, but what am I to do? They don't want people helping people, they want government helping people. They want to make people dependent on the government, destroy their motivation to succeed, ship their jobs overseas while importing lower wage workers to eliminate the job opportunites that are left, alienate and segregrate them into their own areas with free housing, and make them feel oppressed while claiming to be the answer to their oppression.

    Dammit, now you've got me going, and I said I was going to try not to do that.

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