Just What Is It That DJ Trump That Inflames Passions? Who Is Against Him? Why?

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  • Ingomike

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    I believe that the dirt behind the curtain is so bad that the swamp (entrenched republicans, democrats, FBI, CIA, DOJ, FISA, the other alphabet agencies, and possibly SCOTUS) does not want it to ever see the light of day. They were shocked that DJT won, as they believed their own press clippings and have been running scared he will flush out their nefarious deeds. Many of them likely bordering on treasonous. They were selling out our country, our rights, our freedoms for money and justifying it by believing that we would be better off a part of the global community, not free individuals.

    The swamp has used their allies in MSM and social media to keep a lid on this as they run out the clock on DJT's term. The ONLY chance we have to see what is behind that curtain is to reelect Donald Trump. He is a true outsider! I have heard many of you complain about specifics he did not get done. Did you ever look at the totality of the forces arrayed against him? In fact, just who the hell is for him? Who ever pats the guy on the back and says good job?

    Why are conservative churches having prayer night to pray for Trumps election while bikers have Trump flag rallies? Boaters and yachts out on Trump boat parades while others have ATV, tractor, even saw a Amish type buggy parade. Why would these disparate groups support a NY/Hollywood billionaire playboy? Add in private sector union members openly thwarting their leadership to support Trump. Could you ever imagine that for GWB, McCain, or Romney? Just what is at stake that is causing this phenomenon?

    Who is against him? Why? And I'm talking serious opposition, not talking about mean tweets. They have fooled the public into buying into the whole "mean tweets" crap while they keep the curtain closed. It is just a diversion and if it is a big deal to you, you have been duped. You can know what the goals are by who opposes whom.

    Please suggest additions:

    Against Trump:

    The globalists and mega international companies. (This would include companies like Facebook, Twitter, Pro sports, Nike, Amazon, Hollywood, they want international markets, not a strong America. )

    The main stream media. (Their parent companies are all trying to get into the Chinese market.)

    Public sector unions. (They want pandering dems not oversight for the people in charge.)

    The deep state. (Need to keep their secrets, secret.)

    Socialists. (Don't want a strong economy because it negates their message of misery. They hated the lowest unemployment for minority's ever, under Trump.)

    Open Border supporters. (Just more globalism and loss of freedom.)

    Open Immigration supporters. (Cheap labor, keep your wages down. Trump wants to grant immigration to the skills we need to be great.)

    Against Biden:

    People that call themselves Americans proudly. (Large numbers of those who served, work hard and save,)

    Small businesses.

    Medium business.

    Religious.

    Gun rights supporters.

    Energy independence supporters.

    Due process supporters in colleges.


    Lets add to the list as you post others. I think we can learn a lot here...
     
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    Twangbanger

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    Simply this: Donald Trump is the first Republican to openly acknowledge there are divisions in America, and be willing to exploit them to his advantage, the same way the Left will exploit them for theirs.

    Many prefer Republican Presidents like the Bushes - politicians who:

    1) Pretend it's still the "One America" of the 1940s, and govern accordingly.
    2) Appeal to "unity."
    3) Don't acknowledge that any culture split occurred in the 60s, and act like nothing changed.
    4) Turn out to be easily beaten...because they don't understand 1, 2, and 3.


    Meanwhile, the other side understands that America _is_ different now, they acknowledge division, and willingly exploit it to their advantage.

    DJT is the first Republican to frankly acknowledge the "One America" idea is a sh_t lie we tell ourselves, and meet that reality head-on, on its own terms.

    Americans are simply suckers for the old "One Nation Under God Bullsh." Every nation has at least one mythological lie they tell about themselves, and this is ours. Even when people are shooting each other at protests, many pine for this old lie, and simply cannot let it go.
     
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    jamil

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    Democrats/left now control all the major institutions. They’re the establishment now. Where else are establishment Republicans gonna go?A problem they have, at least the ones like Dan Coats, don’t have enough hair left to let Biden sniff.
     

    churchmouse

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    OK people. The last thread that asks these questions got my butt in hot water. This one will not go there.

    This goes out to the Anti-Trumpers that will post here. One step sideways and you are gone. Period no grace period or in thread warnings any more. I am not enjoying g this much of late so don't get me involved.

    Keep it civil please.

    Carry on.
     

    jamil

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    I have to admit. I no longer have any idea where the line is. Can you be more specific about what question is off limits and what is it about the question that makes it off limits. Maybe I’m just missing some context here.
     

    churchmouse

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    I have to admit. I no longer have any idea where the line is. Can you be more specific about what question is off limits and what is it about the question that makes it off limits. Maybe I’m just missing some context here.

    You know where the lines are. They have not moved. Sharing opinions and ideas need to be done in a civil manner. Thats my point. There is a faction in the forum that enjoys stirring up the masses. Their numbers will be reduced if these discussions continue to go south and we will be closer to loosing the ability to have them.
    I myself have been sucked into the stupid in the last few days. Thats my point. Lets all regroup and do this like adults. I will handle the kids when they show up OK.

    Ands thanks for asking.....:)
     

    Kutnupe14

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    OK people. The last thread that asks these questions got my butt in hot water. This one will not go there.

    This goes out to the Anti-Trumpers that will post here. One step sideways and you are gone. Period no grace period or in thread warnings any more. I am not enjoying g this much of late so don't get me involved.

    Keep it civil please.

    Carry on.

    I'll you a solid and stay out of this one. lol
     

    Tombs

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    If Trump had filed and ran under the democratic party, he'd be celebrated.

    People would still complain about the tweeting, but you wouldn't see the hatred you do right now. He'd been a democrat most of his life anyway.
    But since he ran republican, and in the new age of politics, he is made out to be the greatest villain of all time.

    I honestly believe any republican candidate would face the same level of hatred and rage as Trump. It isn't about him, it's about merely being a roadblock to the radical left agenda in flesh and blood.

    We saw the beginnings of this bad blood in the latter bit of GW's presidency, even though GW did things legitimately reprehensible that democrats later started adopting, like his foreign policy.
    After 8 years of Obama, them not getting their way really REALLY made them mad. I'm beginning to think they really don't care what policy the president actually enacts, they only care what he speaks to. This would explain why they loved Obama so much, while he was continuing the majority of the policies of GW.
     

    BugI02

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    I think the rank and file anti-Trumpers become incensed because they hit him with everything that comes to hand and he still won't go down. It's at the point where they are just flailing wildly. Many of them probably have never seen a republican fight back and do so effectively
     

    SarahG

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    Socialists. (Don't want a strong economy because it negates their message of misery. They hated the lowest unemployment for minority's ever, under Trump.)
    I think this is a little off base for some people. While there are fringe people who likely identify as pure socialists, you'll more likely find democratic socialists who want more government intervention, higher tax rates, and expansion of social programs. While I don't want these things now, there was a time when I 100% did want these things. People are often sold the idea, especially in higher education, that the only way to care for and help people is to increase social programs, increase taxes, and allow the government to "take care" of its people. I believe that most people who say they want socialism just want to help people who they consider to be less fortunate, but the way they want to achieve that is not in line with freedom and liberty. I'm sure there are some that will never change their minds. That said, I really believe showing people the benefits of capitalism for working class people is the best way to go about getting rid of widespread support for socialist policies.
     

    JCSR

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    I think this is a little off base for some people. While there are fringe people who likely identify as pure socialists, you'll more likely find democratic socialists who want more government intervention, higher tax rates, and expansion of social programs. While I don't want these things now, there was a time when I 100% did want these things. People are often sold the idea, especially in higher education, that the only way to care for and help people is to increase social programs, increase taxes, and allow the government to "take care" of its people. I believe that most people who say they want socialism just want to help people who they consider to be less fortunate, but the way they want to achieve that is not in line with freedom and liberty. I'm sure there are some that will never change their minds. That said, I really believe showing people the benefits of capitalism for working class people is the best way to go about getting rid of widespread support for socialist policies.

    :+1:
     

    churchmouse

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    I think this is a little off base for some people. While there are fringe people who likely identify as pure socialists, you'll more likely find democratic socialists who want more government intervention, higher tax rates, and expansion of social programs. While I don't want these things now, there was a time when I 100% did want these things. People are often sold the idea, especially in higher education, that the only way to care for and help people is to increase social programs, increase taxes, and allow the government to "take care" of its people. I believe that most people who say they want socialism just want to help people who they consider to be less fortunate, but the way they want to achieve that is not in line with freedom and liberty. I'm sure there are some that will never change their minds. That said, I really believe showing people the benefits of capitalism for working class people is the best way to go about getting rid of widespread support for socialist policies.

    Well said.
     

    IndyBeerman

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    I think it because he owes nobody, there is no political favors to be called in and he states what he is going to do, and does it. He's brash, don't take no :poop: and hit's back harder than the shot they took at him.

    Plus, he's not a career politician, not in it for the money, but for the good of the country.
     

    Sigblaster

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    I hesitate to even get involved in this conversation, because I don't want to get into a long-winded diatribe about what's wrong with the Democratic and Republican parties.

    I'm just going to try to sum it up, and hope I don't get sucked into a more detailed opinion.

    The Democratic party, since the inception of our country, has been working to move our country more leftward, into democracy. The Republican party has been working to maintain our government as a constitutional republic. They are playing the same game, but the Democratic party has just plain gotten better at playing the game than the Republican party.

    President Trump is not an insider to their game. He's an outsider who doesn't follow the same long-established mores of the political community. This infuriates both parties, because he exposes the back room shenanigans of both parties. He has exposed the socialist/communist agenda of the left, and the weakness of the right.
     

    ChristianPatriot

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    I think this is a little off base for some people. While there are fringe people who likely identify as pure socialists, you'll more likely find democratic socialists who want more government intervention, higher tax rates, and expansion of social programs. While I don't want these things now, there was a time when I 100% did want these things. People are often sold the idea, especially in higher education, that the only way to care for and help people is to increase social programs, increase taxes, and allow the government to "take care" of its people. I believe that most people who say they want socialism just want to help people who they consider to be less fortunate, but the way they want to achieve that is not in line with freedom and liberty. I'm sure there are some that will never change their minds. That said, I really believe showing people the benefits of capitalism for working class people is the best way to go about getting rid of widespread support for socialist policies.

    The problem with capitalism/freedom/liberty is that it’s hard and requires self-discipline, sacrifice, perseverance, etc. All of those qualities are now considered racist or whatever by the woke.

    We always hear about compassion and empathy from liberals. Compassion and empathy are fantastic ways to interact with individuals but are truly terrible ways to form policy.
     

    Ingomike

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    Democrats/left now control all the major institutions. They’re the establishment now. Where else are establishment Republicans gonna go?A problem they have, at least the ones like Dan Coats, don’t have enough hair left to let Biden sniff.

    I recently read something to the affect of

    If academia, Hollywood, MSM, and big corporations agree with you, you ain't anti-establishment...
     

    Ingomike

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    Was a little disappointed that there were no more additions to the list of those against Trump and Biden since the first post by twangbanger...
     

    Sigblaster

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    I think this is a little off base for some people. While there are fringe people who likely identify as pure socialists, you'll more likely find democratic socialists who want more government intervention, higher tax rates, and expansion of social programs. While I don't want these things now, there was a time when I 100% did want these things. People are often sold the idea, especially in higher education, that the only way to care for and help people is to increase social programs, increase taxes, and allow the government to "take care" of its people. I believe that most people who say they want socialism just want to help people who they consider to be less fortunate, but the way they want to achieve that is not in line with freedom and liberty. I'm sure there are some that will never change their minds. That said, I really believe showing people the benefits of capitalism for working class people is the best way to go about getting rid of widespread support for socialist policies.

    There was a time when I was younger when I hated the idea of war. When I was a kid, my best friend's brother was drafted, and went to war as an Army Infantryman in Vietnam. At the time, I watched the evening news with great interest to see the stories about the war in Vietnam. We would even play Vietnam with our toy guns, and practice killing VC. Thankfully, he came back alive, but the stories he told me and my friend about his experience (stories that probably shouldn't have been to told to kids :abused:), shaped my view of war into my teen years. Of course, as I matured, I realized that war is sometimes necessary, and even righteous, and I even signed up as an Army Infantryman myself. More because my Dad had been one than my friend's brother. :D

    So I do understand about changing your views with age. What's the old adage? "If you're not a liberal at 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at age 35, you have no brain". I guess those ages are not hard lines, because we all mature differently.

    To your point about helping people, I used to contribute to charites when I was younger. Even as a teen, I bought meals or gave what meager amounts I could to the homeless when I would visit the downtown area. As I got older, the more the government taxed me, the less I gave to charity, until I reached the point where I give no money to charity at all. I still donate stuff to Goodwill and the Salvation Army, but it's just stuff I would have thrown away anyway. I understand that this plays right into the Democrats' plans, but what am I to do? They don't want people helping people, they want government helping people. They want to make people dependent on the government, destroy their motivation to succeed, ship their jobs overseas while importing lower wage workers to eliminate the job opportunites that are left, alienate and segregrate them into their own areas with free housing, and make them feel oppressed while claiming to be the answer to their oppression.

    Dammit, now you've got me going, and I said I was going to try not to do that.
     
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