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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy317 View Post
    I know of a few cases in Marion Co. where defendants have taken photos into court. Such photos are evidence, and must follow the rules of evidence. The one case I know, a guy claimed he had photos. The judge asked the officer if he would allow those photos/submit to them being introduced as evidence. Since the officer had no idea what/where/when/why/how the photos were obtained, the officer objected and the judge refused to accept the photos as evidence. In another case, the defendant took in photos. I don't know if the officers or the state were asked if they were OK with them, but I know the photos were entered into evidence....and they ended up convicting the driver...as they clearly showed the signs in which the driver violated.

    I think in your daughter's case, the prosecutor makes a valid claim about the time the photos were taken. If you can get a time stamp on them, or bring in the camera with a laptop and use that to show the photo information, then why should a judge take that into consideration? Even if the photos were admitted, they could mean nothing unless this was the _first_ time your daughter drove to through this school zone on that road, or the school just opened that day and the sign was put up the day before, etc. etc.. Any admission by your daughter that despite the tree branches, she still knew there was a school there, and that there had be unobstructed signs in the past is likely going to get her found guilty. Think of it this way, if a speed limit sign on the interstate falls off, does that mean the speed limit is now 150MPH, or whatever the driver decides, until the driver hits the next sign that is still standing?

    It was her first time to drive down the street.
    In her series of photos the only sign was up in the tress, obscured by the leaves. She even had street signs in the pictures.
    She did get the speeding in a school zone charge dropped.
    But still got the 38 in a 35 charge.
    I don't know if the police officer was there or not.
    But to hear her tell it the lady prosecutor turned into a demon from hell when she got to her case.
    She didn't tell me about going and I am really unhappy about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotdoger View Post
    But still got the 38 in a 35 charge.
    She didn't tell me about going and I am really unhappy about it.
    Are you unhappy about the whole thing, or by just the actions from the prosecutor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy317 View Post
    Are you unhappy about the whole thing, or by just the actions from the prosecutor?
    She did not tell me about going. I am unhappy about that.
    I wanted to go to court with her.

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    There's a moderate update. The deputy has apparently gotten together with the county lawyers and come up with a slightly different story. Imagine.
    From Simple Justice
    The continuation of the contempt hearing for Adam Stoddard, Maricopa County's finest, was held yesterday before Judge Gary Donahoe, although much of it happened without prying eyes after he closed the courtroom at the insistence of Tom Liddy, with the County Attorney's office.

    To my great disappointment, Nick Martin was unable to attend yesterday's hearing, leaving us with only the Arizona Republic version of events. Given its anemic coverage of the last hearing date, it's a rather sorry substitute.

    "Going to," "steal" and "money."


    Those four words, grouped in the same sentence, prompted a Maricopa County sheriff's detention officer to remove documents from a defense attorney's file last month, according to court testimony Thursday.

    Officer Adam Stoddard testified that a handful of factors contributed to his decision to position himself behind the defendant, Antonio Solis Lozano, during Lozano's Oct. 19 sentencing hearing. And while Stoddard was there, his eyes "glazed over" a document with the four words that caught his attention.
    And why did Stoddard mosey up behind the defense attorney so that he might happen to "glaze over" the open papers on the table?


    Stoddard said the fact that Lozano had numerous papers that court security had not searched concerned him. People in the back of the courtroom who were there to see Lozano also made Stoddard suspicious, according to his testimony.
    And sun was in his eyes, and there was a hole in his racket. So aside from the discrepancies between the video and this testimony, not to mention that the file he was "glazing over" was the attorney's and not the defendants, and the lack of any logical connection between people being in a courtroom, where they are entitled to be unless Donahoe's on the bench, and papers on table, Stoddard's doing a bang up job on his second try to come up with an explanation.

    The problem posed is that Stoddard, after being widely ridiculed for his ridiculous attempt to justify his wholly improper invasion into the defense lawyer Joanne Cuccia's file, had a few days with the county lawyers to come up with a better story. Despite this gift, he still can't offer any rationale for his conduct.

    It would seem impossible for Judge Gary Donahoe to be unaware of the fact that his decision will be the subject of intense interest and scrutiny across the country. This is not just a little Maricopa thing.


    Stoddard's decision to remove the documents from the file of Joanne Cuccia, Lozano's former attorney, led to an outcry from defense attorneys, an avalanche of media attention once video footage of Stoddard's move was released, and a packed house in Donahoe's courtroom Thursday.

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    Well, a judge in Maricopa County has found the officer in question in contempt. He either has to apologise or go to jail. Wow. What a sentence. Maybe more criminals should be given the choice of saying, "I'm sorry" or going to jail.

    From Digital Journal

    A Maricopa County Sheriff’s Deputy caught on camera removing documents from a courtroom has been found in contempt of court by a Superior Court judge.
    The ruling came Wednesday morning as Judge Donahoe concluded officer Adam Stoddard of the Sheriff’s Dept. was in contempt when he removed the two hand-written documents from a file belonging to attorney Joanne Cuccia. Cuccia was representing a defendant at a sentencing hearing at the time. It is only the latest scandal to blemish controversial Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his department. Arpaio, who bills himself as America’s toughest Sheriff, has found himself at the center of countless disputes in recent months. Arpaio had defended Stoddard’s actions. This latest incident unfolded when officer Stoddard was spotted by defendant Antonio Lozano removing the documents from the file. Lozano quickly notified his attorney, who in turn, brought it to the attention of Judge Donahoe. Officer Stoddard had maintained he removed the documents because he believed Lozano posed a security threat. Donahoe disagreed with the Sheriff's Department, concluding Stoddard acted unreasonably by removing the documents. The Superior Court judge has given Officer Stoddard until November 30th to publicly apologize to Cuccia and Lozano, or report to jail on December 1st.
    Wonder which he'll choose?

    Well, if loudmouth sheriff Arpaio has his way, it'll be jail. The judge should issue another citation for contempt and throw Arpaio into his own jail.
    From AZ Central
    The officer was ordered by a judge to hold a press conference to apologize for his actions - an order that Arpaio immediately said would be defied.
    “My officer was doing his job and I will not stand by and allow him to be thrown to the wolves by the courts because they feel pressure from the media on this situation,” Arpaio said in a press release. He further said, "I decide who holds press conferences and when they are held regarding this Sheriff’s Office.”
    More at the link

    If this is America's sheriff then we are a sad place, indeed.

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    pathetic response

    The judge in the court room video is very, very weak. There is no situation where a court deputy can seize defense paper eivdence claiming that it is a danger to people in the court room. I am familiar with a similar event and the deputy involved was seriously punished. Asked to apologize or else? What a ridiculous response!

    Terry

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    Update:
    Looks like the deputy has decided to tell the judge to go jump in the lake. He held a press conference and refused the judges order. Now all we have to do is wait for the judge to find someone to take the putz into custody and put him in a jail somewhere. We might even get to see his boss, Sheriff Joe go to jail, too if he decides to buck the judge. That'd certainly be a good day. While I normally dislike contempt charges and their open ended sentences, I'll make an exception this time. We are supposedly a nation of laws, not men and no-one is above the law.

    From Heat City:
    He did almost everything he was supposed to do. He gathered the area’s media. He prepared a statement. He read it aloud.
    But detention officer Adam Stoddard did not apologize on Monday night. Instead, he defied the order issued by Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Gary Donahoe, which required him to say he was sorry for taking an attorney’s confidential documents six weeks ago or else go to jail today.
    “Judge Donahoe has ordered me to feel something I do not” Stoddard said. “He has ordered me to say something I cannot.”
    The young detention officer, dressed in his brown duty uniform and wearing a badge, told the pack of journalists and other observers in front of the county’s main courthouse in downtown Phoenix that the judge had essentially “put me in a position where I must lie or go to jail.”
    “I will not lie,” he said.

    At the end of his statement, Stoddard turned and walked away, refusing to take any questions.
    The whole uproar goes back to Oct. 19, when Stoddard was caught on a courthouse security video rifling through the files of defense attorney Joanne Cuccia while her back was turned and she was speaking before the court. Stoddard took a letter from Cuccia’s client out of the file and had it copied before Cuccia was any the wiser.
    In a court hearing later to figure out whether his actions were legal, the detention officer testified that he saw the words “going to,” “steal” and “money” grouped together on the letter. He said he believed that gave him authority to seize it and investigate whether a crime was taking place.
    But Donahoe rejected Stoddard’s story, saying there was no way he could have thought a crime was about to occur based on what he saw. He ruled on Nov. 17 that Stoddard’s actions were a blatant violation of the near-sacred attorney-client privilege and ordered the detention officer to publicly apologize to the defense attorney by Monday or else face jail time for contempt.
    Before Stoddard walked off in defiance of his court-ordered deadline, Craig Mehrens, a veteran Phoenix attorney who has agreed to represent Cuccia in the case, called out to him through the crowd: “See you in jail.”
    Stoddard’s lawyer, deputy county attorney Tom Liddy, stepped in to try to answer reporters’ questions. But the heckling by Mehrens continued.
    Mehrens insisted several times that the detention officer had not written the prepared statement himself, implying that Stoddard was little more than a yes man for his boss, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
    “It’s his words,” Liddy shot back. “It’s what he wants to do.”
    Liddy went on to repeat many of the things he has already said since the court order was issued. He called it a violation of Stoddard’s First Amendment rights and said the detention officer had not gotten his due process or been allowed to make his case before a jury.
    He vowed again to appeal the judge’s ruling to a higher court, something he has failed to do since the order came out.
    Asked whether Stoddard would surrender to an arrest warrant if one was issued today, Liddy refused to respond, calling the question “a hypothetical.”
    After Liddy left, the defense attorney who had been wronged told reporters she was “surprised” at the whole affair.
    “We came down here for an apology and we didn’t get that,” said Cuccia.
    Maria Schaffer, an attorney now representing the defendant whose letter was taken by Stoddard. said she was “incredulous” about the scene that had just played out.
    “Why go to all the trouble hauling us out here in the cold for their dog and pony show?” she said.
    It’s up to the judge to decide what happens next.
    Video at the source.

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    The judge in the court room video is very, very weak.
    Well, maybe she just didn't see what happened. I've been there.

    You're up on the bench looking at a file or the computer or whatever and suddenly something happens and you are to act like you know exactly what is going on. BTDT and got the t-shirt.

    FWIW, Indiana has had a similar case but the person taking the papers was a Prosecuting Attorney in the middle of a trial. I believe the case was in Washington County. I'll see if I can find it.
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    The deputy has been ordered to jail for contempt of court.

    Law of Criminal Defense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Freeman View Post

    FWIW, Indiana has had a similar case but the person taking the papers was a Prosecuting Attorney in the middle of a trial. I believe the case was in Washington County. I'll see if I can find it.
    I remember that, but don't remember the exact outcome. Didn't a couple of DP's get a year's time out from practice? It's a much more serious violation from bar member's and much easier to impose discipline.

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