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    The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude

    By Michelle Malkin • November 6, 2009 12:01 AM

    I was traveling to Wichita for a speaking event/fundraiser (which I’ll tell you more about later) when news of the Fort Hood massacre broke. Please continue to pray for the 12 murder victims [update 11/6: now 13 dead] and their families, and the 30 wounded and their families.
    Allahpundit at Hot Air has a massive, blow-by-blow post on all the latest developments. The Christian Science Monitor profiles Nidal Malik Hasan, the Muslim soldier identified by the military as the shooter:
    Terry Lee, a retired Army colonel who knew Hasan, told Fox News about a story he heard secondhand. He said a fellow colleague had told him that Hasan had made “outlandish comments” about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and US involvement in them and that “Muslims had a right to rise up and attack Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
    “[He] made comments about how we shouldn’t be over there – you need to lock it up, Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor,” Lee added.
    But the suspect’s cousin, Nader Hasan, gave Fox News a different picture. He said his cousin had never deployed but was affected by the war and had been concerned about his impending deployment.
    “He would tell us how he would hear things, horrific things, things from war probably affecting him psychologically,” Nader Hasan said.
    From AP:
    His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.
    There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive. But details of his life and mindset, emerging from official sources and personal acquaintances, are troubling.
    “Troubling.” And familiar.
    At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
    Here’s the Scribd comment of Nidal Hasan:
    There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.
    Those of you with long memories will remember all those who came before Hasan. Here is my column from March 2003 on Muslim soldiers with attitude:
    Sgt. Asan Akbar, a Muslim American soldier with the 326th Engineer Battalion, had an “attitude problem.”
    According to his superiors and acquaintances, Akbar’s attitude was bitterly anti-American and staunchly pro-Muslim. So how did this devout follower of the so-called Religion of Peace work out his attitudinal problems last weekend?
    By lobbing hand grenades and aiming his M-4 automatic rifle into three tents filled with sleeping commanding officers at the 101st Airborne Division’s 1st Brigade operations center in Kuwait.
    Akbar is the lone suspect being detained in the despicable attack, which left more than a dozen wounded and one dead. Surviving soldiers say Akbar, found cowering in a bunker with shrapnel injuries, was overheard ranting after the assault: “You guys are coming into our countries, and you’re going to rape our women and kill our children.”
    “Our”? At least there’s no doubt about where this Religion of Peace practitioner’s true loyalties lie.
    Naturally, apologists for Islam-gone-awry are hard at work dismissing this traitorous act of murder as an “isolated, individual act and not an expression of faith.” But such sentiments are willfully blind and recklessly p.c.
    Sgt. Akbar is not the only MSWA — Muslim soldier with attitude — suspected of infiltrating our military, endangering our troops and undermining national security:

    – Ali A. Mohamed. Mohamed, a major in the Egyptian army, immigrated to the U.S. in 1986 and joined the U.S. Army while a resident alien. This despite being on a State Department terrorist watch list before securing his visa. An avowed Islamist, he taught classes on Muslim culture to U.S. Special Forces at Fort Bragg, N.C., and obtained classified military documents. He was granted U.S. citizenship over the objections of the CIA.
    A former classmate, Jason T. Fogg, recalled that Mohamed was openly critical of the American military. “To be in the U.S. military and have so much hate toward the U.S. was odd. He never referred to America as his country.”
    Soon after he was honorably discharged from the Army in 1989, Mohamed hooked up with Osama bin Laden as an escort, trainer, bagman and messenger. Mohamed used his U.S. passport to conduct surveillance at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi; he later pled guilty to conspiring with bin Laden to “attack any Western target in the Middle East” and admitted his role in the 1998 African embassy bombings that killed more than 200 people, including a dozen Americans.
    Ain’t multiculturalism grand?

    – Semi Osman. An ethnic Lebanese born in Sierra Leone and a Seattle-based Muslim cleric, Osman served in a naval reserve fueling unit based in Tacoma, Wash. He had access to fuel trucks similar to the type used by al Qaeda in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers, which killed 19 U.S. airmen and wounded nearly 400 other Americans.
    Osman was arrested last May as part of a federal investigation into the establishment of a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon. Osman recently pleaded guilty to a weapons violation, and the feds dropped immigration charges against him in exchange for his testimony.
    Ain’t open borders grand?

    – John Muhammad. The accused Beltway sniper and Muslim convert was a member of the Army’s 84th Engineering Company. In an eerie parallel to the Akbar case, Muhammad is suspected of throwing a thermite grenade into a tent housing 16 of his fellow soldiers as they slept before the ground-attack phase of Gulf War I in 1991. Muhammad’s superior, Sgt. Kip Berentson, told both Newsweek and The Seattle Times that he immediately suspected Muhammad, who was “trouble from day one.”
    Curiously, Muhammad was admitted to the Army despite being earlier court-martialed for willfully disobeying orders, striking another noncommissioned officer, wrongfully taking property, and being absent without leave while serving in the Louisiana National Guard.
    Although Muhammad was led away in handcuffs and transferred to another company pending charges for the grenade attack, an indictment never materialized. Muhammad was honorably discharged from the Army in 1994. Eight years later, he was arrested in the 21-day Beltway shooting spree that left 10 dead and three wounded.
    Ain’t tolerance grand?

    – Jeffrey Leon Battle. A former Army reservist, Battle was indicted in October 2002 for conspiring to levy war against the United States and “enlisting in the Reserves to receive military training to use against America.” According to the Justice Department, he planned to wage war against American soldiers in Afghanistan.
    Ain’t diversity grand?
    “It’s bad enough we have to worry about enemy forces, but now we have to worry about our own guys,” Spc. Autumn Simmer told the Los Angeles Times this week after the assault on the 101st Airborne. The Islamist infiltration of our troops is scandalous. Not one more American, soldier or civilian, must be sacrificed at the altar of multiculturalism, diversity, open borders, and tolerance of the murderous “attitude” of Jihad.
    FYI: Convicted Beltway sniper John Muhammad is scheduled to be executed next week. No doubt the families of the Muslim sniper victims are re-living the horror tonight.
    FYI: Muslim US soldier Hasan Abujihaad was convicted last year on espionage and material terrorism support charges
    after serving on serving aboard the USS Benfold and sharing classified info with al Qaeda financiers including movements of US ships just six months after al Qaeda operatives had killed 17 Americans aboard the USS Cole in the port of Yemen.
    On Twitter, follow #fthood for news updates.
    ***
    Clarice Feldman notes President Obama’s “odd” — to say the least — reaction to the attack on Fort Hood soldiers:
    On Thursday, 11 soldiers and civilian police at Fort Hood were slaughtered execution-style at close range and over 30 others wounded, allegedly by a U.S. Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan. The President immediately addressed the nation concerning this horrific event.
    However, his expression of grief was very odd. He spent the first two minutes of the four-and-a-half minute address in a light-hearted discussion of his earlier “Tribal Nations Conference” on Native American rights, including a “shout out” recognition of a conference attendee.
    When he finally got around to the purpose for his public appearance, he gave an uninspired and rambling dissertation on the tragedy. Even then, he could not keep the topic focused on sympathy for the pain of others:

    I want all of you to know that as Commander in Chief, that there’s no greater honor, but no greater responsibility for me (emphasis his) than to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for…
    Poor soul, it’s so saddening to know how this tragedy affects him. Listening to this address provides some insight into Obama’s character and how he ranks his priorities.
    ***
    Business as usual: The whitewashing of jihad by the MSM. See here and here.

    So now will the military do a review and make sure there are not more of these traitors, within the ranks of our honorable men and women in uniform?

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    More PC crap played a role in all this. The guy gets negative evals but gets promoted along just because he is a Muslim. He makes crazy comments about Muslims rising up against us in front of his colonel (I heard the col. talking about it last night), supposedly investigated but nothing happens. How can nothing happen with all that has been going on? All brought to you by the PC wackos in this country. How many more have to die people?

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    If he was promoted solely because he was Muslim, yes, I agree this was wrong. I have not reviewed his history well, however, and I have to wonder if he was promoted instead because he had just received his medical degree.

    I have to ask as well: If this is a problem solely with his religion and the tenets of that religion, why are not ALL Muslim US military members picking up pistols or bombs and attacking those with whom they work every day? Why are not even most of them doing so? Let's even ask why not some? OK, yes, some have, but those who have qualify as individuals, not as a movement. The answer to providing for the safety of our servicemen and women lies not in excluding people from service based on religion, but in allowing our soldiers (inclusive of all branches) to be armed and able to protect themselves.

    I'm no apologist for Islam, certainly not radical Islam. I have a large problem with making blanket accusations against all members of a group (any group) based on the actions of individuals who happen to be parts of that group.
    Should the rest of the world hold all Americans responsible for Hillary and Barry Hussein?
    Do we hold all Christians responsible for the actions of wayward pedophiliac priests?
    Do we hold all Black people responsible for the actions of criminal gang members?
    Do we hold all lawful gun owners responsible for the criminal actions of the few recently posted in the Indy Star?

    Individuals. Not groups. To focus on the group is by definition prejudice.

    There are millions around the world who follow Islam, just as there are millions who follow all mainstream religions. The micropercentages of their members who commit those crimes need to be dealt with swiftly and decisively.... and permanently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill of Rights View Post
    Do we hold all Christians responsible for the actions of wayward pedophiliac priests?
    The tenets of Christianity is not pedophilia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill of Rights View Post
    Do we hold all Black people responsible for the actions of criminal gang members?
    Black history for centuries is not one based in gang activity. That's recent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill of Rights View Post
    Do we hold all lawful gun owners responsible for the criminal actions of the few recently posted in the Indy Star?
    Gun ownership "creedo" is not based in crime.

    However, it's been proven that the "religion of peace" is...well...not so much so!
    ~No matter how responsible she seems, never give a monkey your gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill of Rights View Post
    There are millions around the world who follow Islam, just as there are millions who follow all mainstream religions. How many are waiting for the right time to pull some BS like this ?

    The micropercentages of their members who commit those crimes need to be dealt with swiftly and decisively.... and permanently. IDK about a "micropercentage" man . Maybe it's propaganda but videos of hundreds of them dancing in the streets and burning our flag in the middle east seems like the norm .


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    Individuals. Not groups. To focus on the group is by definition prejudice.
    agreed, but when any individual physically or verbally places himself or herself within the scope of a given groups ideals, historical activities, (peaceful or violent) or political ideologies, then that individual has declared himself or herself one of that group, and deserves to be viewed, and or treated like one of that group.

    ...and will be treated that way by me.
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    Exactly. For example, I don't have to interview each particular member of the Black Panther Party before determining motives of any specific individual who chooses to join up.
    I know what the whole group stands for. Thus if you join, in my estimation by association I know what you stand for.
    ~No matter how responsible she seems, never give a monkey your gun.

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    Well said, Bill of Rights. Repped...
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    Baloney





    ...is one of the many things I don't stand for.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    agreed, but when any individual physically or verbally places himself or herself within the scope of a given groups ideals, historical activities, (peaceful or violent) or political ideologies, then that individual has declared himself or herself one of that group, and deserves to be viewed, and or treated like one of that group.

    ...and will be treated that way by me.
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