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  • BloodEclipse

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    EXCLUSIVE: CIA Secret 'Torture' Prison Found at Fancy Horseback Riding Academy

    ABC News Finds the Location of a "Black Site" for Alleged Terrorists in Lithuania

    By BRIAN ROSS and MATTHEW COLE

    Nov. 18, 2009 —

    The CIA built one of its secret European prisons inside an exclusive riding academy outside Vilnius, Lithuania, a current Lithuanian government official and a former U.S. intelligence official told ABC News this week.
    Where affluent Lithuanians once rode show horses and sipped coffee at a café, the CIA installed a concrete structure where it could use harsh tactics to interrogate up to eight suspected al-Qaeda terrorists at a time. A full report on the can be seen on ABC's World News with Charles Gibson tonight.
    "The activities in that prison were illegal," said human rights researcher John Sifton. "They included various forms of torture, including sleep deprivation, forced standing, painful stress positions."
    Lithuanian officials provided ABC News with the documents of what they called a CIA front company, Elite, LLC, which purchased the property and built the "black site" in 2004.
    Lithuania agreed to allow the CIA prison after President George W. Bush visited the country in 2002 and pledged support for Lithuania's efforts to join NATO.
    "The new members of NATO were so grateful for the U.S. role in getting them into that organization that they would do anything the U.S. asked for during that period," said former White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, now an ABC News consultant. "They were eager to please and eager to be cooperative on security and on intelligence matters."



    Lithuanian president Dalia Grybauskaite declined ABC's request for an interview.
    ABC News first reported that Lithuania was one of three eastern European countries, along with Poland and Romania, where the CIA secretly interrogated suspected high-value al-Qaeda terrorists, but until now the precise site had not been confirmed. Read that report here.
    Until March 2004, the site was a riding academy and café owned by a local family. The facility is in the town of Antivilai, in the forest 20 kilometers northeast of the city center of Vilnius, near an exclusive suburb where many government officials live.
    A "Building Within A Building"



    In March 2004, the family sold the property to Elite, LLC, a now-defunct company registered in Delaware and Panama and Washington, D.C. That same month, Lithuania marked its formal admission to NATO.
    The CIA constructed the prison over the next several months, apparently flying in prefabricated elements from outside Lithuania. The prison opened in Sept. 2004.
    According to sources that saw the facility, the riding academy originally consisted of an indoor riding area with a red metallic roof, a stable and a cafe. The CIA built a thick concrete wall inside the riding area. Behind the wall, it built what one Lithuanian source called a "building within a building."
    On a series of thick concrete pads, it installed what a source called "prefabricated pods" to house prisoners, each separated from the other by five or six feet. Each pod included a shower, a bed and a toilet. Separate cells were constructed for interrogations. The CIA converted much of the rest of the building into garage space.
    Intelligence officers working at the prison were housed next door in the converted stable, raising the roof to add space. Electrical power for both structures was provided by a 2003 Caterpillar autonomous generator. All the electrical outlets in the renovated structure were 110 volts, meaning they were designed for American appliances. European outlets and appliances typically use 220 volts.
    The prison pods inside the barn were not visible to locals. They describe seeing large amounts of earth being excavated during the summer of 2004. Locals who saw the activity at the prison and approached to ask for work were turned away by English-speaking guards. The guards were replaced by new guards every 90 days.
    Former CIA officials directly involved or briefed on the highly classified secret prison program tell ABC News that as many as eight suspects were held for more than a year in the Vilnius prison. Flight logs viewed by ABC News confirm that CIA planes made repeated flights into Lithuania during that period. In November 2005, after public disclosures about the program, the prison was closed, as was another "black site" in Romania.
    Lithuanian Prison One of Many Around Europe, Officials Said



    The CIA moved the so-called High Value Detainees (HVD) out of Europe to "war zone" facilities, according to one of the former CIA officials, meaning they were moved to the Middle East. Within nine months, President Bush announced the existence of the program and ordered the transfer of 14 of the detainees, including Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, Ramzi bin al Shihb and Abu Zubaydah, to Guantanamo.
    In August 2009, after ABC News reported the existence of the secret prison outside Vilnius, Lithuanian president Grybauskaite called for an investigation. "If this is true," Grybauskaite said, "Lithuania has to clean up, accept responsibility, apologize, and promise it will never happen again."
    At the time, a Lithuanian government official denied that his country had hosted a secret CIA facility. The CIA told ABC News that reporting the existence of the Lithuanian prison was "irresponsible" and declined to discuss the location of the prison.
    On Tuesday, the CIA again declined to talk about the prison. "The CIA's terrorist interrogation program is over," said CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano. "This agency does not discuss publicly where detention facilities may or may not have been."
    Former CIA officials told ABC News that the prison in Lithuania was one of eight facilities the CIA set-up after 9/11 to detain and interrogate top al-Qaeda operatives captured around the world. Thailand, Romania, Poland, Morocco, and Afghanistan have also been identified as countries that housed secret prisons for the CIA. President Barack Obama ordered all the sites closed shortly after taking office in January.
    The Lithuanian prison was the last "black" site opened in Europe, after the CIA's secret prison in Poland was closed down in late 2003 or early 2004.
    "It obviously took a lot of effort to keep [the prison] secret," said John Sifton, whose firm One World Research investigates human rights abuses. "There's a reason this stuff gets kept secret."
    "It's an embarrassment, and a crime."

    This kind of story in conjuction with the trial of terrorists on American soil means just one thing.
    AMERICA IS ON TRIAL AND "NOT" THE TERRORISTS. :xmad:
     

    haldir

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    There will be a total and complete dismantlement and a public airing of all our national security methods and secrets over the next few years. I hope these guys will enjoy their smug feeling of moral superiority still when there is a mushroom cloud over one of our large cities.
     

    mettle

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    :+1:

    There will be a total and complete dismantlement and a public airing of all our national security methods and secrets over the next few years. I hope these guys will enjoy their smug feeling of moral superiority still when there is a mushroom cloud over one of our large cities.

    I said this, as much, in another post and was accused of an umbrella statement concerning all muslims....

    I've been saying stuff like this for a while now.... there is nothing sacred, secret or secure within our borders now that head muslim of state Obongo is in office. TRAITOR!
     

    chraland51

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    Elections do have consequences. We are going to get what the apparent majority was completely fooled into when they voted in the current gang of America haters, social engineers and downright idiots. Hang onto your butts as I have absolutely no faith in what will likely come out of the senate and eventually onto Obama's desk for his signature.
     

    XMil

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    harsh tactics... like decapitation?... wait, that's them.

    I don't condone torture, period. Butt....

    "They included various forms of torture, including sleep deprivation, forced standing, painful stress positions."

    And if those don't work we'll get really nasty and break out The Comfy Chair.

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    printcraft

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    I don't condone torture, period. Butt....

    "They included various forms of torture, including sleep deprivation, forced standing, painful stress positions."

    And if those don't work we'll get really nasty and break out The Comfy Chair.

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    Perfect, no one would expect that......... ;)
     

    henktermaat

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    I don't condone torture, period. Butt....

    "They included various forms of torture, including sleep deprivation, forced standing, painful stress positions."

    And if those don't work we'll get really nasty and break out The Comfy Chair.

    A lot of us have all or some of those torture conditions here right now EXCEPT the comfy chair. :D
     

    x10

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    Bad things happen in the world that need to be met with bad things

    My problem is it seems the leaders have lost their integrity and maybe they never had any and I watch Roy Rodgers and the Lone ranger too much as a kid

    If we had a gov't we could trust I would feel better about this stuff

    I'm stuck I don't want our military to be hobbled by rules the other side doesn't follow But I don't want that turned on Me for saying I don't like the way the gov't is being run.

    some times I just want to duck and cover
     

    dross

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    As a young paratrooper in 1983, I participated in a 82nd Airborne Division ARTEP. I don't remember what the acronym stands for, but it was a large scale evaluation, an evaluated field exercise where officers and NCOs from other units tested the entire unit on the full range of warfighting skills. In other words, everything was being done by the book.

    I was running a field wireline from our battalion to higher headquarters when I went by a POW holding area. I watched as the MPs walked by a line of "POWs" (actually they were soldiers pretending to be POWs for training and evaluation purposes) who were blindfolded with their hands restrained behind their backs. The MPs walked behind each one, put their boot on the POW's back, and shoved him over, face down to the ground. It didn't look pleasant at all. The evaluators were there with their clipboards, taking notes.

    My point is that nothing that you can do to a fellow American soldier as part of his training, which sleep deprivation, uncomfortable positions, loud music, and many harsher things can reasonably be called torture.

    Also, I have a problem with the term, "secret prisons." A prison is someplace a person is confined to for an extended period for the purpose of punishment. If the CIA captures a person in another country, particularly a country who isn't politically on the same page as the USA, how would they be able to hold them and question them? You must interrogate (whether harshly on non-harshly) a combatant very quickly, as the intelligence begins to degrade immediately.

    Does no one remember that the left considered 9/11 and not finding WMD to be intelligence failures? Failures caused by not having solid human intelligence gathering methods, that were systematically hampered by the Dems. Now we are going further with that.

    Perhaps we have lost the will to protect ourselves.
     

    IndyGunworks

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    come on guys you believe this? just because the news tells us that 8 were closed doesnt meant there werent 30 to begin with.... its a cat and mouse game and always have been... i bet you that if those 8 were discovered and shut down, then 8 more would be up and running within a year.
     

    truegrit

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    I guess ABC should fact check it's own articles who was President in Aug-2009? it sure as hell wasn't George Bush
     
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    DRob

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    Can't be true!

    Please tell me this isn't happening in Lithuania. I thought all the "bad guys" were being detained and tortured in the Beech Grove railyards! :popcorn:
     
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