Attorney General reviewing options for legal challenge to health care bill

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  • mrjarrell

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    We shouldn't be suing over this. That's entirely the wrong path to go down. We should, instead be urging Zoeller and the governor to apply nullification, apply the 10th and tell the feds to go suck eggs. If they try and force us the governor can call out the Guard and escort all the feds to the state line. Of course they're not going to go down the nullification route. That requires courage, which they lack. Instead they'll let some ninny in a black robe decide that the feds are right and we'll be stuck with this monstrosity because of their lawyer loving ways.
     

    libertybear

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    Nullification may be the best outcome to desire but I just don't see that happening. I see this being the only option and it will end up kinda like the Brady bill did, the court will pick it apart and at the very least rule that the mandate is unconstitutional but will probably just reverse that portion of the bill. That would leave behind rest of the monstrosity but it's a start. Once you take everyone's mandated participation and money out of the equation then even their doctored numbers wont jive.
     

    CarmelHP

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    We shouldn't be suing over this. That's entirely the wrong path to go down. We should, instead be urging Zoeller and the governor to apply nullification, apply the 10th and tell the feds to go suck eggs.

    Because that has worked so well before.:rolleyes:
     

    melensdad

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    His automated reply to me:
    Thank you for your support. Attorney General Zoeller is considering the options available for legal challenges to the Health Care Reform Legislation passed by Congress. He is among a group of other state attorneys general who have expressed concern that the legislation may infringe on individual rights.

    "There are significant constitutional questions regarding the federal government's authority raised by the legislation passed Sunday. I believe it is necessary that these ultimately be brought before the United States Supreme Court; and as Indiana Attorney General I will join in the most appropriate legal actions available to represent the significant interests of our state in this matter," Zoeller said.

    In February, at the request of Indiana U.S. Senator Richard Lugar, the Attorney General prepared a report and legal analysis on the Senate version of the health care bill. Among other things, the report found the bill's mandate requiring everyone to buy health insurance or face a penalty unprecedented - it would be the first time the federal government would require Americans to buy a good or service as a condition of being a U.S. resident.

    A full statement regarding this matter is posted on our web site at Attorney General: Home. You can also find the Lugar report and a release related to that report on our site as well.
     

    CarmelHP

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    And that's the usual republicrat answer that's going to insure we stay saddled with Obamacare. Thanks for helping.

    OK, go man your barricades. I guess trying your way first ensures success. Let everyone us all when you're starting the revolution. Talk is cheap.
     

    mrjarrell

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    OK, go man your barricades. I guess trying your way first ensures success. Let everyone us all when you're starting the revolution. Talk is cheap.
    It takes a states governor and legislator to set up those barricades, not those of out here on the streets. Of course you republicrats won't go anywhere near what we need to do. That takes courage and a will to enact change, something your ilk will never countenance. Get back to us on the next heroic moves of your buddies after the courts rule in favour of Obama.
     

    CarmelHP

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    It takes a states governor and legislator to set up those barricades, not those of out here on the streets. Of course you republicrats won't go anywhere near what we need to do. That takes courage and a will to enact change, something your ilk will never countenance. Get back to us on the next heroic moves of your buddies after the courts rule in favour of Obama.

    Just what I expected. You're not actually doing anything other than keyboard commandoing. That takes SO much courage.
     

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    Hold on a second. Carmel... you're correct in that that doesn't usually do much good. Rather than simply point out that fact, do you have a suggestion of what people should do instead? Sue?

    Blessings,
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    mrjarrell

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    Just what I expected. You're not actually doing anything other than keyboard commandoing. That takes SO much courage.
    One person is just one person. If more people call for nullification, rather than the cowards way out, I'll be right there. You can continue to cower in your office and engage in the fed love fest you and your buddies have committed us to.
     

    CarmelHP

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    Hold on a second. Carmel... you're correct in that that doesn't usually do much good. Rather than simply point out that fact, do you have a suggestion of what people should do instead? Sue?

    Blessings,
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    So, elections don't work and shouldn't be tried, lawsuits don't work and shouldn't be tried so the first tool we should reach for is civil war? I give up. Who can argue with such logic? And the keyboard commandos who say, "I'll be there!," it's mighty courageous of you since you know it won't happen. Why exactly are we waiting for the governor and legislature to do this again, if it's such a great idea? It's seems Article 3 of the Constitution gives the Supreme Court the power to decide cases and controversies between the United States and the several states, or do we just pick and choose those parts we personally like and anyone who takes it as a package is a "coward." Let's reach right for the bullet box, what buffoonery!
     

    mrjarrell

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    No-one said to reach for the bullet box, yet. I stated, and others in other places concur that nullification and the 10th amendment are the best way to go. Skip the robed morons and the likelihood of keeping Obamacare. Go straight to nullification and the right of the state to determine its destiny in these matters. We aren't looking for warfare, that would be up to the feds to start it. The pro nullification folks, like myself aren't looking for a Ft Sumter, just the rights of states to be left alone and decide their own fate where pressing issues are concerned. Your contention that it has to be one thing or nothing is mistaken. As usual, you support the status quo, even while protesting that you don't. Lawsuits are not going to succeed. And this monstrosity shall never be repealed. No gop member has the courage to take away an entitlement, as we've seen for generations.
     

    mrjarrell

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    A quick search shows that some states already have legislation passed in regards to nullification and others are either working towards it or have it on the burner. I don't see federal troops lining up on their borders. Haven't heard word one from the Obamanites as to their invasion plans, either. So, what we have is the fact that nullification doesn't have to have warfare as a result.
    From the 10 Amendment Center
     

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    even the CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA tried to avoid war. they gave the troops at ft. sumpter the chance to go home but they refused. no one was killed in the actual bombardment. The guy who talked about refusing to pay taxes in another thread had it somewhat right. the thing is to keep paying taxes to our state, and work at the state level to get the state govt, to refuse to hand over the money to the feds. thats where you will LEGALY get away with not paying taxes, from doing it as the state government, not as individuals. but individuals voices will be the motivator for the states to act. the problem is that the feds have gold stock piles. and if the govt goes down the ****ter then they will still have viable currency in gold and silver, while the states will have to print their own money, but back it with what?? the government wont just lay down and be overthrown by the states either. it will be a mess, but if we wouldnt have let it get to this point we wouldnt have to clean up the big mess. its a series of failures over generations that have put us here. American also needs to stop listening to all these other nations and not allow them to select our policies for us.
     

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    *yawn* If I escort you out of a building, does it mean I fired a volley over your head to do so? Nope. But the last thing you want, if the federal dogs do start yapping is to have enemy combatants at your back. They would need to go. And so would the tories who support them.
     

    T-rav

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    Thats really weird because the states on that site are the same states that have filed suit. The same states have passed it and the same states have made no action. I do agree it is a 10th amendment thing HOWEVER with the SCOUTS being pretty conservative with the exception of one that is hardcore social justice endorser and the recent comments BO made about Roberts I think it was. Im sure they are just waiting to get their hands on this.
     
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