Ayn Rand: Money is the barometer of a society's virtue.

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  • ruger17hmr

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    "Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that is does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.

    "Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, 'Account overdrawn.'

    "When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, 'Who is destroying the world? You are.

    "You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while you're damning its life-blood--money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, whose names changed, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves--slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer, Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers--as industrialists.

    "To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a country of money--and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man's mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being--the self-made man--the American industrialist.
     

    Indiana Feller

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    Wow! I think someone needs to restudy ethics. That is depressing. I think there is an assault on capitalism so they can usher in Socialism to save of from the evils of capitalism as they have corrupted it.

    Between the bailouts (or government intervention) and the assault on morals / integrity capitalism is having trouble but it's not really capitalism either. As far back as the last depression the fed started setting agriculture process, then there is the subsidies mess.

    At any rate that is a depressing view. I am glad there are still many people who value integrity and honor.
     

    Fletch

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    I love this passage, have read it many times. Repped.

    For those who don't know, it's from [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Shrugged-Ayn-Rand/dp/0451191145"]Atlas Shrugged[/ame].
     

    Hemingway

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    Atlas Shrugged is one of the greatest books of all time. Although it would go against the principles in the book, I think it should be required of all Americans to read it. It was written 50 years ago but it seems as if it was written last year and that our current administration is using the bad parts almost verbatim to run the country.

    I encourage everyone to read it. If you consider yourself a capitalist but maybe can't articulate all the reasons why it's the best system out there, you will learn ALOT.

    I used to think there is no way anything like that would happen in the US. Now, I think it is inevitable. As the nationalization/government interference into the private market, it will do worse. As it gets worse, the government will try to take more control to "stabilize" things. Eventually, it just chokes itself.

    The only question is whether those who are competent and run industries will all drop out like in the book?

    What an awesome book. Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" is also a prerequisite to any economic study.
     

    dross

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    "the rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide"
     

    melensdad

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    Shay

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    Atlas Shrugged is one of the greatest books of all time. Although it would go against the principles in the book, I think it should be required of all Americans to read it. It was written 50 years ago but it seems as if it was written last year and that our current administration is using the bad parts almost verbatim to run the country.

    I encourage everyone to read it. If you consider yourself a capitalist but maybe can't articulate all the reasons why it's the best system out there, you will learn ALOT.

    I used to think there is no way anything like that would happen in the US. Now, I think it is inevitable. As the nationalization/government interference into the private market, it will do worse. As it gets worse, the government will try to take more control to "stabilize" things. Eventually, it just chokes itself.

    The only question is whether those who are competent and run industries will all drop out like in the book?

    What an awesome book. Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" is also a prerequisite to any economic study.

    You're going to owe me some money.
     
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