Cameon Eisenzimmer Gun Modifications Accident

[Bapak2ja]

I saw this on another forum and thought it worth sharing. It is a significant issue, and one that merits our consideration.

I searched the site for it before posting it, but if it is a dupe, I apologize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPxQsP7_ZQw

Stay safe, folks.

 

[lonehoosier]

Just to make it easier for some to view.

[video=youtube_share;KPxQsP7_ZQw]http://youtu.be/KPxQsP7_ZQw[/video]

 

[churchmouse]

Wow.

 

[Jeepster48439]

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Wow.

Exactly. BTW, I think this will get a AMEN from Kirk Freeman. The dang thing went off with even touching it!

 

[Leo]

Testimonies like this are always a good reminder to see the big picture when we do work. Pretty bad consequence for failure.

I know this sounds cave man like, but after I work a trigger on a 1911, I cock the pistol holding it in my hand and smack the side of the slide with a rubber mallet. If it doesn't hold, I put more engagement in the hammer hooks/sear tip. That .015 or .016" engagement might seem to function fine when clean on the bench, but a little wear or grit will make the working engagement less than that in short order. I think the action pistol crowd generally tolerates reasonable triggers. Some of the old bullseye guys had some pretty scary trigger jobs. Many would drop the hammer if you used the slide stop to release the slide.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Testimonies like this are always a good reminder to see the big picture when we do work. Pretty bad consequence for failure.

I know this sounds cave man like, but after I work a trigger on a 1911, I cock the pistol holding it in my hand and smack the side of the slide with a rubber mallet. If it doesn't hold, I put more engagement in the hammer hooks/sear tip. That .015 or .016" engagement might seem to function fine when clean on the bench, but a little wear or grit will make the working engagement less than that in short order. I think the action pistol crowd generally tolerates reasonable triggers. Some of the old bullseye guys had some pretty scary trigger jobs. Many would drop the hammer if you used the slide stop to release the slide.

I have great respect for gunsmiths that do the job wisely and properly. No caveman sound at all. Just seems to me that you are taking all proper precautions.

 

[PGRChaplain]

Everyone needs to watch this Video. If you buy a Used Firearm, don't take the Sellers word that XYZ Gunsmith did a Trigger Job on it. Take it to a Competent Gunsmith. Sometimes a Disaster is only .0001" away.

 

[churchmouse]

Testimonies like this are always a good reminder to see the big picture when we do work. Pretty bad consequence for failure.

I know this sounds cave man like, but after I work a trigger on a 1911, I cock the pistol holding it in my hand and smack the side of the slide with a rubber mallet. If it doesn't hold, I put more engagement in the hammer hooks/sear tip. That .015 or .016" engagement might seem to function fine when clean on the bench, but a little wear or grit will make the working engagement less than that in short order. I think the action pistol crowd generally tolerates reasonable triggers. Some of the old bullseye guys had some pretty scary trigger jobs. Many would drop the hammer if you used the slide stop to release the slide.

I have not done the rubber Mallet thing but I will use the slide stop on a chambered casing to test hammer engagement. 10 to 15 times while gripping the safety will usually tell the tale. Unless it is one of my personal pieces I never cut below .018 on the hooks.

These are man made devices. As with men they will fail at some point along the way. Be safe. Be careful.

 

[Twangbanger]

...Some of the old bullseye guys had some pretty scary trigger jobs. Many would drop the hammer if you used the slide stop to release the slide.

You are not kidding there. A State Police guy from Michigan once offered to let me try his pistol out...after I had 5 rounds inserted, he cautioned me to make sure I held the trigger back while releasing the slide. I asked "why," since this was not normal procedure for me on a 1911. He said, "You want to make sure the disconnector is engaged while letting the slide fly...that way if she goes off, with your hand on the grip and the grip safety engaged, at least it won't go full auto on you." He said this nonchalantly.

...Yeesh! I unloaded and said, "no thanks."

I later learned of a case where someone burned a clip in such manner at the old indoor basement range in New Albany, sending the last round up through the ceiling/floor into the ladies' bathroom.

Watch out for those old bullseye guys...

 

[Bapak2ja]

You are not kidding there. A State Police guy from Michigan once offered to let me try his pistol out...after I had 5 rounds inserted, he cautioned me to make sure I held the trigger back while releasing the slide. I asked "why," since this was not normal procedure for me on a 1911. He said, "You want to make sure the disconnector is engaged while letting the slide fly...that way if she goes off, with your hand on the grip and the grip safety engaged, at least it won't go full auto on you." He said this nonchalantly.

...Yeesh! I unloaded and said, "no thanks."

I later learned of a case where someone burned a clip in such manner at the old indoor basement range in New Albany, sending the last round up through the ceiling/floor into the ladies' bathroom.

Watch out for those old bullseye guys...

 

[ROLEXrifleman]

So.............. there's a lawsuit, right?

 

[Bapak2ja]

So.............. there's a lawsuit, right?

Nothing in the video suggested a law suit, but anything could happen. We have to shut down those evil gun manufacturers and those deadly gun ranges. It's for the children!

 

[rvb]

Testimonies like this are always a good reminder to see the big picture when we do work. Pretty bad consequence for failure.

I know this sounds cave man like, but after I work a trigger on a 1911, I cock the pistol holding it in my hand and smack the side of the slide with a rubber mallet. If it doesn't hold, I put more engagement in the hammer hooks/sear tip. That .015 or .016" engagement might seem to function fine when clean on the bench, but a little wear or grit will make the working engagement less than that in short order. I think the action pistol crowd generally tolerates reasonable triggers. Some of the old bullseye guys had some pretty scary trigger jobs. Many would drop the hammer if you used the slide stop to release the slide.

I do that as well. front and back too to try to get the hammer to bounce. I know it makes folks cringe, but I drop the slide on empty chamber both with and without trigger pulled, too. I don't get crazy either like you mentioned... 2.5-3lb on 1911/2011s I use in uspsa is good enough for me.

I later learned of a case where someone burned a clip in such manner at the old indoor basement range in New Albany, sending the last round up through the ceiling/floor into the ladies' bathroom.

I had one run away on me at an indoor range a few years ago. It wasn't a sear issue... now I can't remember exactly... some burr or out of spec part or something hanging up the disco. All in the A-zone @ 7 yds. I wanted to do it again Stupid NFA laws; I packed it away...

-rvb

 

[craigkim]

So, she said she hadn't "grabbed" her gun. She saying she didn't even touch it, but it went off .5s after the buzzer? I get that her draw times were normally just over 2 seconds, but that means she couldn't put her hand on it in .5?

 

[bmbutch]

Thank You OP for posting, great awareness heads up!

 

[Rong]

Good reminder. If you shoot enough you will run into mechanical issues. I have had sks slam fires, disconnectors get stuck and one trigger so light the bolt cycling tripped it. We all like a good deal but we need to be aware.