S&W M&P APEX Tactical Foward Set Sear and Trigger Kit Review

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  • bullfrog4ever

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    Hello, Its been a while since I've been around, so I figured I'd try to get a few posts in here and there... I don't know if this has been reviewed here, but I'll give my 2 cents on it. I am by no means an expert, gunsmith or spokesperson, I just want to give a detailed report...

    For my S&W M&P40 Pro Series, while steps ahead of the regular M&P's, I still felt the trigger feel lacking some what...

    For those that have used APEX Tactical DCAEK or CAEK or any other APEX part, you'll know of the impressive improvements made with their parts installed. But they all pale in comparison to APEX's FSS & Trigger Kit. When I read about the changes that this APEX kit makes, I was intrigued, nervous(mainly to do the smithing) and excited. Well, I took the plung, and all I have to say is WOW!!:D

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    The improvements this kit makes is incredible. The machining, engineering and attention to detail from APEX is fantastic!! Trigger pretravel in negligable, trigger break in smoother and crisper, no overtravel and such a small reset it unreal.

    What comes in the package:
    1) Newly Engineered 1911-ish style trigger w/ slim trigger safety
    2) Newly Engineered Forward Setting Sear
    3) New revised Striker block (specific for this kit)
    4) New revised spring kit (specific for this kit)

    1) I know some of you will say that its a glock style trigger, but really it is more a solid 1911-ish style trigger with a slim, non-intrusive, unnoticable trigger saftey, that changes the trigger dynamics of the M&P

    2) APEX's Randy Lee, re-engineered the geometry of the M&P's sear to adjust when the striker drops and where the reset occurs. A fantastic piece of engineering in my mind.

    3) Most people have used APEX's USB which creates many improvements of the feel of the M&P, but this has a slightly redesigned shape to take into account the redesgined FSS and Trigger and Spring weights.

    4) The springs have been revised, mostly in that they provide certain set of springs for a trigger pull weight of approx 4-5Lbs. However, if you have the Pro Series M&P or a kit that already has DCAEK or CAEK, the springs can be mixed and matched to create your perfect weight.
    I.E. With my Pro Series, I have to keep the stock trigger spring to create the approx 4LBS trigger pull, with APEX's trigger spring, I had an 8LBS trigger pull!! Wierd, I know...

    Ease of installation: 7 out of 10
    While Randy provides HD Youtube videos for replacing all the parts, it still can be tricky to replace everything and get it back together and needs some special tools.
    *Although, I did it with no gunsmithing experience, it took me about 1.5hrs, took my time and made sure everything was correct, checked and double checked.
    I still took a huge risk of ruining or destroying my M&P!

    Overall Conclusion::rockwoot: :laugh: :D

    The trigger feels great and the safety in the center is not noticable. Trigger pull for me is 4LBS and is just perfect! Smooth and crisp action, clean short reset and makes shooting this M&P even more fun!!
    This is a fantastic and welcome improvement for the M&P!! Taking what was already a great and reliable weapon, and making it even better!!

    Gripes:
    M&P Pro has a different sear housing group, so the Reset Assist Mechanism(RAM) with not work in Pro Series. Other than that, none.

    Warnings:
    Use a sight drift or brass punch for removing the sights, I marred mine up, but I'm gonna replace mine, so no worries. It just takes a long time, mine were fitted so tight, it to about 20+mins to remove the rear sight.


    **M&P owners: Keep and eye out on APEX Tactical, Randy Lee has got alot of interesting ideas for production in 2012 from what I hear!

    Hope this helps anyone who was curious about this add on!! I love it and I know you will to! Hope you enjoyed the reiview!


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    crispy

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    This has me confused...

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    M&P Pro has a different sear housing group, so the Reset Assist Mechanism(RAM) with not work in Pro Series. Other than that, none.


    Are you saying the NEW sear that you put in doesn't work with the RAM?

    I've installed the Apex Competition Kit and the RAM in my 9mm Pro. Everything works fine.
     

    gglass

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    This has me confused...

    Gripes:
    M&P Pro has a different sear housing group, so the Reset Assist Mechanism(RAM) with not work in Pro Series. Other than that, none.


    Are you saying the NEW sear that you put in doesn't work with the RAM?

    I've installed the Apex Competition Kit and the RAM in my 9mm Pro. Everything works fine.

    The RAM works just fine in both my M&P40 Pro and M&P9 Pro. It also works fine in my non Pro models. I do not have any with a thumb safety, and that is where you will find an issue.
     

    bullfrog4ever

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    Great post. Reputation added.
    Keep up the good work.

    Thanks!! Much appreciated!

    Are you saying the NEW sear that you put in doesn't work with the RAM?

    I've installed the Apex Competition Kit and the RAM in my 9mm Pro. Everything works fine.

    No, my it's my sear housing goup. It doesn't have the slot to install the RAM. New sear works fine and would still work fine with the RAM, but, my sear housing group is different. Mine doesnt look the same as the other M&P sear housing groups.

    The RAM works just fine in both my M&P40 Pro and M&P9 Pro. It also works fine in my non Pro models. I do not have any with a thumb safety, and that is where you will find an issue.

    I ordered and recieved my M&P Pro this spring, brand new, no safeties (besides trigger safety), so my guess is that I got the sear housing group for the M&P VTAC edition, since that is the only M&P that the RAM is not compatible with. The VTAC sear housing groups eliminates the hole that the RAM is installed into. They do make RAM's for thumb-safetied and non-thumb safetied M&P's

    They may be using VTAC sear housing groups now for the Pro's, I'm not sure though. Mine could just be a fluke.
     

    Steve B

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    Thanks. You answered several questions I had on this. I hate all of the pretravel in this type of firearm. It's the one drawback they have IMHO. I'll be installing one on mine very soon. Thanks for the review.
     

    sbcman

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    I appreciate this review. The absolutely horrendous factory trigger is the one thing that has kept me away from the M&P series. I might give them another look now.
     

    bullfrog4ever

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    Glad to be of help to everyone, it truely makes a big difference. I've had some complements from a couple of 1911 owners on how nice the trigger was. If I get a chance, I'll try to post a video of the difference between the stock trigger and the APEX trigger.
     

    Dorky_D

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    I appreciate this review. The absolutely horrendous factory trigger is the one thing that has kept me away from the M&P series. I might give them another look now.

    I think 'horrendous' is a bit extreme. It may not be to your liking. It is not a match trigger. I certainly would not call it horrendous.
     

    Steve B

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    The trigger in my 40C wasn't bad but I did hate all of the pretravel. I installed the FSS a couple of days ago and am a lot happier with it now. While the trigger feel has improved, the thing I like most is the lower pull weight and the shorter pretravel. I may change the sping and lighten the trigger even more but I haven't decided yet. It's my ECW so I'm not sure how light a trigger I want on it yet. The short reset is a huge improvement as well.
     

    TomN

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    Steve we need to talk because I really want to at least dry fire an M&P with the FSS installed. If it's ok with you that is.
     

    partyboy6686

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    I so wanna put this trigger system on my M&P 9 Pro Series as soon as I get it out of lay a way. I plan on using my M&P 9 Pro Series for tactical and competition shooting.
     

    Steve B

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    TomN: So do you want to shoot it in 9mm, 40S&W or both? I have no problem letting you shoot it. Can you can shoot at your place? If not I have a range here at the house. Drop me a PM and we'll hook up so you can check it out.
     

    Steve B

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    I happened across my trigger pull gauge that's been MIA for some time now. My trigger comes in at 3 3/4 lbs now with the FSS kit installed.

    TomN: If you still want to check it out get a hold of me.
     
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