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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birds Away View Post
    I like how he bans anyone who doesn't agree with him. What a douche.
    He even ends his piece with "let the discussion begin." Then, you read the comments, and, discussion... not allowed.
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    I followed Gabe for a bit a couple years ago but he changes all his gear/weapons on a semi regular basis. It's always buy this and buy that. There are too many great trainers out there like Haley, Defoor, Lamb, etc..., to listen to douche baggery. IMO
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    It is easy to see there is at least one person who is madly in love with him....it's him.

  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron1776 View Post



    Blueboxer is just being nice. Yes. I for one am saying that, if you carry more than one handgun as a CCW type, you are drinking the TactiKool-Aid.

    Carrying two guns came from the days of yore when handguns were notoriously unreliable. That is simply not the case anymore unless you're buying sub-par equipment. Unless you're a DevGru operator, SWAT officer, or a cop operating in a notoriously violent area, carrying an extra gun is just silly given the incredibly low chances your gun is going to break. The only reason it makes sense for the aforementioned guys to carry "back ups" is that they are carrying rifles, shotguns, or subguns, and carrying a pistol is a natural supplement to longer guns for reasons far beyond reliability. ( i.e transitioning to close quarters, etc) To be correct, they aren't even "back ups". They are secondary weapons. Carrying a glock to back up your M&P makes about as much sense as towing a Honda behind you just in case your Toyota breaks down.

    I disagree. There's a lot of good reasons to carry a 2nd gun. Be it a small 380 or even another .45.
    Today's guns are more reliable than "the days of yore", but they still can, and do, malfunction.
    And I'm not even mentioning being able to arm your buddy or family member either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine View Post
    I disagree. There's a lot of good reasons to carry a 2nd gun. Be it a small 380 or even another .45.
    Today's guns are more reliable than "the days of yore", but they still can, and do, malfunction.
    And I'm not even mentioning being able to arm your buddy or family member either.
    OR deal with an injured dominant arm that's now non-functional. Most folks I know carry somewheres around their strong side hip area. Now, let's make that strong side arm non-functional due to getting stabbed or shot. I know I can't bring my left arm even close to reaching around to draw my primary arm at the 3-4 o'clock position I carry it in.
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    When a revolver was the common issue sidearm, a second handgun was a quick reload.

    One of the only things I agreed with was the concept that a person adapts to the arm they spend time in training. In slow, deliberate practice, this really is not an issue. If you are shooting action pistol games, the difference becomes apparent.

    Once all my 1911's were hot rodded to the point they were not allowed in stock class, I picked up a P90 Ruger. If I practiced with it, I could do well in stock class. If I had just trained and shot an action match with one of my 1911's, trying to shoot a side match with the P90 resulted in a lot of missed plates due to a different grip feel/ natural point of aim. Replacing the P90 with another 1911 eliminated the problem.

    I had a similar experience when I would switch from my familiar revolvers to a semi auto for bowling pin matches. Switching firearms will always slow you down or cost you points.

    If you need accuracy AND speed, stick to one design, whatever one you like.
    Last edited by Leo; 09-10-2014 at 06:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipsher View Post
    While I certainly agree there's nothing that beats training and proper technique. When I hear "there's nothing a 1911 does better than a modern striker fired gun. It sounds like hype. How about accuracy. Why do so many compete with heavy steel guns?
    Weight soaks up recoil. I learned that shooting two different AKs, one heavier then the other. In slow, deliberate fire, both were accurate for their zero. But once I started shooting rapid strings, the heavier one was more accurate.

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    Whether it's handguns, a pool cue, a set of darts, a guitar, or what-have-you, the issue inevitably pops up about skill set vs. gear.

    'Gear Guys', who may even be pretty good, virtually always opine that if they just get that next new 'wonder-widget', they'll be 'great'. They'll get a new piece of equipment, shoot better with it, and point to that as 'proof'. Sellers LOVE this kinda guy, 'cause he's a repeat Buyer!

    Oh, the improvement is real, for a while. Then that shiny new widget is a 'piece of junk' and they're off buying the next new upgrade or replacement. Once the next new widget shows up, the cycle starts over again. Every new gear swap is just a temporary fix. They're chasing their own tail, they can't figure out why, and they've not figured out the futility in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockednlocked View Post
    Or will the cool kids just be the cool old codgers with that old tyme 1986 tech glock still killin like old Gaston intended.
    An old Chevelle is a classic. An old Fiesta is just an old car. The Glocks will probably in the bargain bin being sold by the pound like dud comics.

    Anyway, the whole article is sure to cause controversy, which will drive traffic, which is the point. It's also something new to say, which has to be done when one makes their rent money off saying things occasionally.

    So, let's see. Grip angle does matter. Sure you can fight body mechanics. Sure you can adjust technique. I can ride a bicycle that's 2" too short for me, too. However given the same amount of training and practice, I will be better with equipment that fits me, gun or bicycle. It may be .05 seconds and 1.5" in your groups at 15y, but if you're life was on the line, would you give that up? Would you ever say, I'd like to be just a little slower and less accurate, but with everything else remaining the same?

    Anything that starts "take a magazine in the face" to justify a caliber is stupid. I have had exactly one mag dump of .25 into someone's face. It did kill them. It was not self-defense, it was standing over the person and shooting them in the face while the victim was flat on his back. I doubt had the situation been a bit more dynamic shot placement and number of hits would have been the same. So, how about this. You're going to get 3 hits, two in the abdomen and one in the arm. You still think that a .25 is just fine?

    The usual apples to oranges presentation of "I, with hours of practice each day and thousands of rounds, beat people who do not have such amounts of practice, and I was using X pistol, so its better" is meaningless. A professional racecar driver would smoke the average driver with a 30% horsepower disadvantage because they are intimately familiar with the lines of the track and the nuances of racing. It does not mean their car is better, nor does it mean that they would not be even better with a car with more power.

    I will agree that grip thickness matters. That makes it odd to recommend a handgun that is only offered in double stack except for one pocket pistol, but I agree with the concept.

    DA/SA is about perfect for self defense work, and an external hammer prevents Glock leg upon reholstering. Neither are mandatory, but both have their place. I get to see a lot of accidental shootings. Almost none are done with revolvers. Slightly more are done with DA/SA weapons (usually those are while manipulating the slide with the hand in front of the barrel, but not always), and striker fired is by far the most common. Probably a function of how popular striker fired pistols are, but also how easy they are to touch off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    An old Chevelle is a classic. An old Fiesta is just an old car. The Glocks will probably in the bargain bin being sold by the pound like dud comics.

    Anyway, the whole article is sure to cause controversy, which will drive traffic, which is the point. It's also something new to say, which has to be done when one makes their rent money off saying things occasionally.

    So, let's see. Grip angle does matter. Sure you can fight body mechanics. Sure you can adjust technique. I can ride a bicycle that's 2" too short for me, too. However given the same amount of training and practice, I will be better with equipment that fits me, gun or bicycle. It may be .05 seconds and 1.5" in your groups at 15y, but if you're life was on the line, would you give that up? Would you ever say, I'd like to be just a little slower and less accurate, but with everything else remaining the same?

    Anything that starts "take a magazine in the face" to justify a caliber is stupid. I have had exactly one mag dump of .25 into someone's face. It did kill them. It was not self-defense, it was standing over the person and shooting them in the face while the victim was flat on his back. I doubt had the situation been a bit more dynamic shot placement and number of hits would have been the same. So, how about this. You're going to get 3 hits, two in the abdomen and one in the arm. You still think that a .25 is just fine?

    The usual apples to oranges presentation of "I, with hours of practice each day and thousands of rounds, beat people who do not have such amounts of practice, and I was using X pistol, so its better" is meaningless. A professional racecar driver would smoke the average driver with a 30% horsepower disadvantage because they are intimately familiar with the lines of the track and the nuances of racing. It does not mean their car is better, nor does it mean that they would not be even better with a car with more power.

    I will agree that grip thickness matters. That makes it odd to recommend a handgun that is only offered in double stack except for one pocket pistol, but I agree with the concept.

    DA/SA is about perfect for self defense work, and an external hammer prevents Glock leg upon reholstering. Neither are mandatory, but both have their place. I get to see a lot of accidental shootings. Almost none are done with revolvers. Slightly more are done with DA/SA weapons (usually those are while manipulating the slide with the hand in front of the barrel, but not always), and striker fired is by far the most common. Probably a function of how popular striker fired pistols are, but also how easy they are to touch off.
    There you go again with your logic and reason. Sheesh, some people.


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