Bird shot + Judge = boo-boo

[BehindBlueI's]

I finally got to see one of the .410 revolvers used in a real shooting. The distance was close enough the plastic shot cup was in the victim's clothing and the pellet group was very tight. The shot was through regular denim jeans. Eyeballing, I'd say #4 bird shot, give or take. The wound was extremely shallow, to the point some shot fell out as the victim moved, and was not nearly deep enough to reach anything vital or major blood vessels. It was more damaging than the bruise from the .25 as it did break the skin, but mostly just a boo-boo. Had the incident been self defense, the reliance would have been entirely on a psychological stop, and frankly the pain level seemed pretty minimal, making me think it less likely that a psych stop would have occurred than a real bullet entering the same area.

I am not a fan of bird shot or of "shotgun" revolvers, and am doubly not a fan of them in combination.

 

[halfmileharry]

I finally got to see one of the .410 revolvers used in a real shooting. The distance was close enough the plastic shot cup was in the victim's clothing and the pellet group was very tight. The shot was through regular denim jeans. Eyeballing, I'd say #4 bird shot, give or take. The wound was extremely shallow, to the point some shot fell out as the victim moved, and was not nearly deep enough to reach anything vital or major blood vessels. It was more damaging than the bruise from the .25 as it did break the skin, but mostly just a boo-boo. Had the incident been self defense, the reliance would have been entirely on a psychological stop, and frankly the pain level seemed pretty minimal, making me think it less likely that a psych stop would have occurred than a real bullet entering the same area.

I am not a fan of bird shot or of "shotgun" revolvers, and am doubly not a fan of them in combination.

I always looked at them as head shots of less than one meter.

 

[T.Lex]

The wound was extremely shallow, to the point some shot fell out as the victim moved, and was not nearly deep enough to reach anything vital or major blood vessels. It was more damaging than the bruise from the .25 as it did break the skin, but mostly just a boo-boo.

In my teens, my brother and I were shooting BB guns at random things in the woods. Then, sorta towards each other. Then, sorta at each other's legs. Well, one thing led to another and my brother ended up with a BB lodged under the skin on his cheek from a shot about 20 ft. away.

Sounds like that wound was comparable.

 

[indiucky]

This is going to break Kirk's heart...I heard he carries a pair of them in double holsters....

 

[HoughMade]

You could have just said: Judge=Boo Boo

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I bet you could still shoot your eye out with it, kid.

 

[BogWalker]

I wonder if the buckshot or slug loads would fare much better, but at that point quit screwing around and just load it up with .45LC.

 

[Thor]

Or buy something a little more convenient chambered in .45LC...that's a big weapon to carry for a .45 pistol round.

 

[Thor]

I bet you could still shoot your eye out with it, kid.

Just don't tell mom...

 

[Thor]

I always looked at them as head shots of less than one meter.

With birdshot? Through the skull I'd think it would need to be contact in the ear...or shoot the eyes...

 

[HoughMade]

Or buy something a little more convenient chambered in .45LC...that's a big weapon to carry for a .45 pistol round.

Don't start getting all logical and sane now, this is INGO and we don't appreciate that sort of thing.

Look, if you want a Judge as a novelty for the fun of it, knock yourself out. If you think it's got some sort of advantage as a self-defense weapon over other guns........think again.

 

[Arthur Dent]

There's always this ammo for defensive use. http://www.winchester.com/Products/New-Products/Pages/pdx1-410.aspx

 

[BehindBlueI's]

There's always this ammo for defensive use. http://www.winchester.com/Products/New-Products/Pages/pdx1-410.aspx

Right? Too small shot and discs, the shape with the worst sectional density of any bullet shape!

 

[HoughMade]

The best possible defensive ammo for a Judge is a quality .45 Colt round...at which point I'd be wondering why I didn't just buy a Model 25.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The best possible defensive ammo for a Judge is a quality .45 Colt round...at which point I'd be wondering why I didn't just buy a Model 25.

Cost, most likely. I have been looking for a 4" for awhile and they've gotten salty.

 

[rhino]

Birdshot works great . . . on birds.

And squirrels.

And rabbits.

'Cause they're small.

People are big.

Use buckshot or slugs.

 

[indiucky]

Cost, most likely. I have been looking for a 4" for awhile and they've gotten salty.

I am fishing for you BBI....On gunbroker they are beyond salty....

 

[Mr Evilwrench]

Haven't deigned to pick one up off the table myself, but with birdshot I understand once you get out to a couple meters or so, you get a doughnut pattern because the rifling gives it centrifugal force in the barrel, and you will absolutely NOT hit your point of aim.

 

[Zoub]

Birdshot works great . . . on birds.

And squirrels.

And rabbits.

'Cause they're small.

People are big.

Use buckshot or slugs.

While the Judge is 100% Marketing driven and 200% crap, you have inspired me.

Sell ammo called Peopleshot instead of Buckshot and you will sell a ton.

 

[jbombelli]

I swear... I thought the title of this thread said "boo hoo" and was looking forward to a crybaby rant by a judge.

I feel so let down right now.

Boo hoo.