Army drops M&P from tests.

[quicksdraw]

Army Drops Smith & Wesson from Pistol Competition - Kit Up!

Maybe someone on the testing board saw MAC's reliability test video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqt1_GVW5s

 

[Bfish]

I'll be interested to hear the details when everything finally comes out!

 

[PRasko]

I'll bet dollars to donuts it had more to do with accuracy related issues than reliability.

The 9mm M&P Full size, and for some reason, only the full size pistols, have been plagued with accuracy issues. The Apex barrels make a remarkable difference.

I shoot cloverleafs all day with my shield at 15 yards. What I shot with my FS9, you couldn't even call a group. It shot patterns.

 

[oDbCo]

The M&P double jointed trigger is garbage. I would bet they go with the Glock 19 over anything.

 

[308jake]

I personally think the FN FNS will win. They have good factory triggers, ambidextrous controls and good accuracy.

 

[Expat]

Sorry to hear that. I kind of like the idea of our military getting their arms from US based companies.

 

[jb1911]

Why was it considered in the first place?

 

[Denny347]

I personally think the FN FNS will win. They have good factory triggers, ambidextrous controls and good accuracy.

This was the handgun ISP was seriously considering before they went with Sig. The Sgt in charge of firearms at the time told me he visited their plant and was very impressed. The plant was spotless and used the same quality control as their M16 (and M4 now maybe?). He couldn't stop saying enough good things about the company and the handgun.

 

[Tactically Fat]

I'll bet dollars to donuts it had more to do with accuracy related issues than reliability.

The 9mm M&P Full size, and for some reason, only the full size pistols, have been plagued with accuracy issues. The Apex barrels make a remarkable difference.

I shoot cloverleafs all day with my shield at 15 yards. What I shot with my FS9, you couldn't even call a group. It shot patterns.

My FS9 is quite accurate.

Have you tried shooting with different backstraps to see if that's an issue? MOST people, even big burly manly men will shoot the gun better with the smaller backstrap installed vs. the larger two. That may also be the reason you shoot your Shield better - it fits better in your hand. Have you had anyone else shoot your FS to see if it may be the gun vs. the shooter? Because, generally speaking, accuracy issues with guns have to do with the shooter - not the hardware itself.

That said, wasn't there a hubub several years ago about the rifling twist rate in the M&P pistol not being fast enough or some such?

 

[Hornett]

Well, that just makes the name kind of silly now, doesn't it?

 

[Tactically Fat]

Well, that just makes the name kind of silly now, doesn't it?

Are there any OTHER militaries that have it?

I like my S&W P pistol.

 

[223 Gunner]

Now I see why they are for sale all the time. That and the fact that Smith is going to release a Gen. 2 version of it.

 

[Tactically Fat]

Now I see why they are for sale all the time. That and the fact that Smith is going to release a Gen. 2 version of it.

So that must also be the reason there are and have been so many Glock pistols for sale all the time!

 

[Expat]

As I recall, when the Army listed the specs originally, several people complained that they appeared to be written specifically to get the Sig P320 as the chosen pistol. So that could be a sign that someone wanted the Sig. My money would be the Glock with them being chosen by so many other .mil and .gov departments.

 

[223 Gunner]

So that must also be the reason there are and have been so many Glock pistols for sale all the time!

Could just be me, but every time I learn of a gun with some sort of "issue", *cough* Gen 4 Glocks, I see plenty of them for sale.

 

[Bfish]

Could just be me, but every time I learn of a gun with some sort of "issue", *cough* Gen 4 Glocks, I see plenty of them for sale.

What's wrong with them??

 

[Fordtough25]

What's wrong with them??

He's probably referring to the numerous brass to the face/weak ejection/finish issues.

 

[Bfish]

He's probably referring to the numerous brass to the face/weak ejection/finish issues.

Oh, ok... I was like man how did I miss something that would be as widely talked about as a Glock issue! I have seen lots of threads and some videos where people were getting smacked with some.

 

[Thumper]

S&W has been crap since the 70s and 80s

 

[PRasko]

My FS9 is quite accurate.

Have you tried shooting with different backstraps to see if that's an issue? MOST people, even big burly manly men will shoot the gun better with the smaller backstrap installed vs. the larger two. That may also be the reason you shoot your Shield better - it fits better in your hand. Have you had anyone else shoot your FS to see if it may be the gun vs. the shooter? Because, generally speaking, accuracy issues with guns have to do with the shooter - not the hardware itself.

That said, wasn't there a hubub several years ago about the rifling twist rate in the M&P pistol not being fast enough or some such?

Head on over to the S&W forum and find the apex barrel thread.

People went from 6-8 inch groups to 1-2 inch groups with the gunsmith fit barrel. The semi drop in barrels are getting 2 to 3 inch groups.