Cool Pic

[cosermann]

Came across this pic online today and thought it was pretty cool from the historical perspective of modern gunfighting.

From left to right, those in the photo are: Ray Chapman, Elden Carl, Thell Reed, Jeff Cooper, and Jack Weaver.

 

[T.Lex]

IBTTDC

(In before the trigger discipline comment.)

 

[JettaKnight]

Is Jeff Cooper violating his four rules?

 

[BJones]

Is Jeff Cooper violating his four rules?

Maybe, but they are his rules

 

[Ruffnek]

Is Jeff Cooper violating his four rules?

I feel like it kinda invalidates them a bit...

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Not to mention the cameraman

 

[JettaKnight]

Not to mention the cameraman

Maybe the camera man was a perp they were arresting.

I get it, staged photo, trained professionals, not that big of a deal, but seriously, was trigger discipline just a bit more lax back then (60's, 70's)?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Maybe the camera man was a perp they were arresting.

I get it, staged photo, trained professionals, not that big of a deal, but seriously, was trigger discipline just a bit more lax back then (60's, 70's)?

Trigger discipline came around mid-to-late 90s.

 

[cce1302]

That is a pretty cool picture. Maybe they had a tripod and remote.

 

[2A_Tom]

Just to make it easier to view.

Ray Chapman, Elden Carl, Thell Reed, Jeff Cooper, and Jack Weaver.

 

[bwframe]

I thought proper trigger discipline and consequently Cooper's Four Rules of Firearms safety were developed in and around the organized shooting sports IPSC/USPSA in the 70's and 80's?

 

[Thor]

That is a pretty cool picture. Maybe they had a tripod and remote.

That's what I was going to say...or just a timer.

 

[cce1302]

I thought proper trigger discipline and consequently Cooper's Four Rules of Firearms safety were developed in and around the organized shooting sports IPSC/USPSA in the 70's and 80's?

I did too, but I found this:

[video=youtube;Jjk3j2bsxVw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjk3j2bsxVw[/video]

Listen to what he says starting at 3:53

Though I don't know when the video was recorded, it seems likely that it was in the early-mid 90s based on his apparent age and comments in another video of the same series in which he talks about the recently adopted Beretta.

 

[2A_Tom]

I know that I taught them to the guy who shot me in the arm in 1976, so...

 

[JettaKnight]

I did too, but I found this:

[video=youtube;Jjk3j2bsxVw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjk3j2bsxVw[/video]

Listen to what he says starting at 3:53

Though I don't know when the video was recorded, it seems likely that it was in the early-mid 90s based on his apparent age and comments in another video of the same series in which he talks about the recently adopted Beretta.

He's definitely over five years older than the picture, so his words line up about that being "newly added".


The whole video is worth watching. Especially to clear up that rule #1 nonsense. Well... if nothing more than he shows that rule requires sixty seconds of explaining.

 

[Leadeye]

Old great pic, Thell looks like a kid.

 

[88E30M50]

Could be that right after that pic was taken, Col. Cooper said ‘Hey guys, we really shouldn’t have our finger on the trigger when pointing at someone. Maybe we need to establish some rules going forward’.

 

[cce1302]

Could be that right after that pic was taken, Col. Cooper said ‘Hey guys, we really shouldn’t have our finger on the trigger when pointing at someone. Maybe we need to establish some rules going forward’.

 

[BGDave]

You guys might be missing the big picture here. Instinctively all five of those guys are aiming at your eyeballs.

 

[bwframe]

I wish I could find the link to reference, but I cannot. Col Cooper was being interviewed by someone who asked him about IPSC some years back. Cooper addressed the success of the sport by stating the advances in gun handling safety achieved were monumental.

A highlight of Col Coopers commentary was (to paraphrase,) "Just look at those competitors moving between shooting positions. Their fingers are OFF the triggers. That was unheard of years ago."