Hellcat: the new Sig P365 for 2020?

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  • doddg

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    I heard some buzz about this gun recently.
    Is this going to be the "Sig Sauer P365 of 2020?
    I think I read here where someone had ordered one.

    Saw this at Palmetto State Armory in an email, but the were out of stock already.

    SPRINGFIELD ARMORY HELLCAT 3" 9MM MICRO-COMPACT PISTOL - HC9319B

    TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK

    MFR#: HC9319B
    Caliber: 9mm
    Sights: U-Dot, Tritium & Luminescent Front, Tactical Rack Rear
    Frame: Black Polymer w/ Adaptive Grip Texture
    Slide: Billet Machined, Melonite Finish
    Barrel Length: 3"
    Overall Length: 6"
    Weight: 17.9 oz. (w/ Empty Flush Mag); another site said 18.1 oz.?
    Magazines: (1) 11 Round, (1) 13 Round Extended
    Right out of the box the Hellcat comes with 2 magazines, a patented 11-round mag with pinky extension and a 13-round extended mag.
    A flush plate is also included to give the pistol as small of a footprint as possible.

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    SPRINGFIELD HELLCAT 9MM 14RD 3" MICRO-COMPACT 9MM
    After years of development, we are proud to introduce the Hellcat™, the highest capacity micro compact 9mm in the world and the next generation of defensive pistol from Springfield Armory.
    The 3" barreled micro compact pistol features a class leading capacity of 11+1 with its patented magazine — 13+1 with the included extended mag — and is the result of years of painstaking development and engineering in addition to intensive collaboration with top engineers, shooters and self defense experts.
    In addition to minute dimensions and stunning capacity, the Hellcat offers a paradigm shifting approach to red dot sight integration for an EDC pistol.
    Offered in an Optical Sight Pistol configuration, the Hellcat OSP features a seamless cover plate that removes to allow direct mounting of a micro red dot to the slide for the lowest possible profile. The result? A micro sized pistol weighing in at a mere 17.9 oz. with capabilities previously reserved only for full size defensive handguns. Complementing the optic is the U-Dot™ sight system, offered on both the OSP and standard non-optic model.
    It is made up of a high visibility tritium and luminescent front sight paired with a tactical rack U-notch rear.
    This provides a quick-to-engage sighting system ready for a wide range of lighting conditions and allows one handed racking of the slide should the situation demand it.
    Additionally, the direct mount capability of the OSP allows for co-witnessing of the U-Dot sights with a red dot for ultimate instinctive target engagement.
    Along with its small size and advanced features the Hellcat delivers rugged durability. The +P rated pistol features a hammer forged steel barrel and billet machined slide, both featuring Melonite™ coating.
    The lightweight and strong frame features Adaptive Grip Texture™, a seamless, pressure activated texture featuring a pattern of staggered pyramid shapes.
    The taller pyramids have a flattened top to ensure comfort in the waistband, while the shorter pyramids come to a point and are engaged when the pistol is firmly gripped.
    A high-hand beavertail and undercut trigger guard situate the pistol low in the hand for maximum control.
    A reversible mag release and standard accessory rail for lights and lasers ensure maximum adaptability.
    Rear serrations run over the top of the slide for quick and easy manipulation and are designed for positive engagement.
    The Hellcat’s flat trigger body and nickel boron-coated trigger group provide a consistent trigger pull.
    A full length guide rod and dual active recoil spring ensure reliable operation and a smooth recoil impulse.
    The Hellcat also features a textured stand-off device at the muzzle that ensures the pistol will fire when pressed against a target.
    Hellcats ship with one 11-round magazine with finger extension and optional flush fitting floorplate as well as one 13-round extended magazine.
    This provides you with maximum flexibility for both firepower and concealability to fit your specific needs. It’s a jungle out there.
    The class leading Hellcat is designed to give you the Capacity to Defend™.

    Specs
    Caliber 9mm
    Recoil System Dual Captive Recoil Spring w/ Full Length Guide Rod
    Sights U-Dot: Tritium/Luminescent Front,
    Tactical Rack Rear Weight 18.3 oz w/ Flush Mag,
    18.6 oz w/ Extended Mag Height 4" w/ Flush Mag,
    4.5" w/ Extended Mag Slide Billet Machined,
    Melonite Finish
    Barrel 3" Hammer Forged Steel,
    Melonite® Finish,
    1:10
    Length 6" Grip Width 1" Frame Black Polymer w/ Adaptive Grip Texture
    Magazines (1) 11-Round, (1) 13-Round Extended
     
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    gregkl

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    Maybe. What a great time to be into guns. The manufacturers just keep cranking out the "latest, greatest". If you are ADHD, even a little bit, you can buy and buy every year or so to try to keep up with it all.

    I handled the P365 and I think I could like it. But I'm sticking with what I have. I don't need to enter the capacity race, I'm good.

    It will be fun to watch the classifieds fill up with Shields, P365's, and the others as folks check out the new plastic fantastic!:)
     

    gregkl

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    When the 4" version comes out and all of the bugs /recalls are done, I might consider it. I love my 4" XDs.

    Though I have a pistol for "deep conceal" that has a 3.1" barrel, I really like the 4" barrels. They are easy to shoot all day long in training and probably even gaming and they still conceal fairly well.
     

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    Not a big fan myself, but I think the Shields are going to be around for quite some time.
    As for Springer's latest attempt at putting shiny objects in front of us in order to distract us from their recent attacks on the second amendment, just nope. Fornicate Springfield, and the horse upon which they didst arrive. The vile jackanapes.
     

    churchmouse

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    Not a big fan myself, but I think the Shields are going to be around for quite some time.
    As for Springer's latest attempt at putting shiny objects in front of us in order to distract us from their recent attacks on the second amendment, just nope. Fornicate Springfield, and the horse upon which they didst arrive. The vile jackanapes.

    Pretty much my sentiments.
    I still buy used SA pieces. But will never ever buy another piece that directly impacts the companys bottom line. The 2A Bravo Sierra and a terrible CS experience so the mouse is done supporting the brand.
     

    Spear Dane

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    Not a big fan myself, but I think the Shields are going to be around for quite some time.
    As for Springer's latest attempt at putting shiny objects in front of us in order to distract us from their recent attacks on the second amendment, just nope. Fornicate Springfield, and the horse upon which they didst arrive. The vile jackanapes.

    Thanks for adding reputation to this user. May you be lucky enough to receive the same Reputation back in turn.
     

    doddg

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    Not a big fan myself, but I think the Shields are going to be around for quite some time.
    As for Springer's latest attempt at putting shiny objects in front of us in order to distract us from their recent attacks on the second amendment, just nope. Fornicate Springfield, and the horse upon which they didst arrive. The vile jackanapes.


    I really liked my Shield 1.0 and kept it after "trying out a few" other small pocket carry guns and kept it longer than any other I tried.
    Then I shot a friend's Sig 365 and lost control.
    I thought it was perfect at the time.

    Months later I had a chance to pick up a Shield 2.0, and always wanted to try one to see if it indeed was any better than the original.
    It was.
    I was amazed at it's improvement, and even though I don't need it now, it does make for a small CC even though I usually use a revolver (Kimber .357/ankle & Ruger LCR .38 for pocket).
     

    doddg

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    Head-to-Head Comparison: SIG P365 vs. Springfield Hellcat
    BY JEREMY S. |OCT 11, 2019 |57 COMMENTS

    SIG P365 vs. Springfield Hellcat

    Holding 11+1 rounds in its micro-compact magazine, it’s no mystery that the Springfield Armory Hellcat, reviewed by Dan here, has its sights set squarely on the famously standard-setting 10+1-round SIG Sauer P365 (reviewed by John Boch here and followed up by me here).
    Even though SIG wasn’t the first to shoehorn double-digit rounds of 9×19 into a “mouse gun” — heck, the Kel-Tec P-11 came out in 1995, has always held 10+1, and is the same or smaller than the P365 in length, width, and height — they sure enjoy the credit for it.

    And P365 sales have been good. Extremely good.

    No surprise there. The CCW pistol market continues to grow and the P365, after some initial reported QC issues, has proven to be a fantastic gun.
    The one in these photos is mine and it has been my EDC for nearly 18 months now.

    A highly abbreviated version of my SIG SAUER P365 review would be: it’s teeny and easy to carry, holds 10+1 rounds in its flush mag, has a great trigger, great sights, has been 100% reliable with every possible type of ammo, and typically makes me look like a better shooter than I really am because it just shoots so freaking well for a micro-compact.

    So I’m going into this as an obvious fan of the P365 and, to be completely candid, with some personal umbrage toward Springfield Armory. But that’s my thing and I’m not here to tell you what to think, just what I think about these two firearms with all emotion and external factors disregarded entirely.

    In the hand the Hellcat has squarer edges whereas the P365 is rounder.
    The Springfield is boxier. This isn’t a negative, though, as it fills up a dude-sized hand better and is perfectly comfortable.

    Somehow the backstrap on the Springfield ends up longer than on the SIG but the frontstrap ends up shorter.
    Again, in practice I didn’t find an advantage to one over the other.
    Possibly one of the two will print more at a certain angle or when carried in a certain location and the other wouldn’t.
    But we’re talking really small differences here and any advantage could easily be reversed in a different location at a different angle.

    In fact, that’s more or less the name of the game in the P365 vs. Hellcat matchup. Where there are differences, they’re dang small ones.

    Except, perhaps, for the additional round of 9mm the Hellcat magazine holds.
    Yes, yes, what’s one measly round? Well, it’s a 10 percent bump in capacity, that’s what.
    That’s nothing to sneeze at in a segment made hugely popular exclusively because of increased capacity over the competition. The SIG is the competition; the Hellcat holds 10 percent more ammo.

    The Springfield pistol also has a one-slot Picatinny rail, whereas the SIG’s rail is a proprietary design.
    Now, considering how short the Hellcat’s accessory rail area is anyway, you’ll find that various lights don’t actually fit, but many will.
    Choices for the SIG have to be made exclusively for the SIG.

    Grip texture on both mini gats is extraordinarily similar.

    Length, width, and height are all so-freakin’-close to each other. The two pistols weigh within like half an ounce of each other.

    Though the published stats are typically for maximum width, on average, and including through the entire grip frame, the SIG P365 is just slightly slimmer than the Springfield Hellcat.

    The positive aspects of a skinnier frame are obvious for a concealed carry gun, but there are some positives to that ever-so-slightly wider frame, too. Namely, the Hellcat has a marginally wider magazine well with a more pronounced taper/funnel around the perimeter.

    Lots of commenters requested photos of one gun on top of the other, but their silhouettes are so darn close there’s very little to see.
    In the photos above and below, the two pistols are obviously resting on their sights and I’ve lined up the muzzles with a straight edge (also known as the spine of one of their magazines).

    And this is the Hellcat in front of the P365. No earth-shattering revelations here.
    The biggest difference is likely the angle of the magazine baseplate, with the SIG’s canted toe down.
    The Springfield’s is almost imperceptibly canted toe up, but for all intents and purposes, is parallel with the bore.

    One meaningful difference that was apparent almost immediately were the slide serrations.
    The Hellcat’s look good but they’re so dang shallow they’re approaching aesthetic in nature only.
    With the optic mounted I tend to just karate chop the darn thing, so no concerns there.
    But without the optic it’s surprisingly easy to slip right off the back of the Springer’s slide.

    Not helping matters is the fact that the Hellcat has a stiffer recoil spring. Not hugely stiffer, but it’s very clearly noticeable. So it takes a little more force to rack the Hellcat’s slide and it has some of the least effective slide serrations going.

    While I realize that, in the photo above, the P365’s serrations don’t look like anything special, they are sufficiently deep with sufficiently square edges that they’re completely and confidently functional.
    I’m afraid that Springfield may have let the industrial designers win an argument with the engineers on this one.

    I could say the opposite about each company’s most extended magazine offering, though.
    While the Hellcat’s 13-round mag smoothly and seamlessly extends the grip, the P365’s 15-round mag leaves a weird ledge on the backstrap that goes unfilled.
    The P365’s 12-rounder, however, is of the flawless extension variety with a forward-angled pinky ledge that feels great and a curved, backstrap-matching rear portion.

    Weird backstrap transition issues aside, I have been carrying the 15-round job as my backup magazine and, on the range, it shoots just fine.
    Speaking of the range.
    This is where the rubber really meets the road. Especially between two guns that are, up until this point and for all practical purposes, almost identical.
    I shot a magazine through my SIG.
    I shot a magazine through the Springfield.
    I shot a magazine through my SIG, then a mag through the Springfield. Rinse and repeat a half dozen times.

    Then I put a Range at Austin target out to 7 yards and fired 10 rapid shots at the head of the silhouette with my P365 as fast as I could line up the sights just well enough to feel I’d probably stay in the blue; legit rapid-fire.
    They all stayed in the silhouette and a couple or few started to bore a larger hole right in the center of the group. Nice.

    I then did the exact same thing with the Hellcat (no optic).
    The group above shows both groups of 10 rounds shot on top of each other.
    Literally the same dispersion in the same place, with a few more enlarging that center hole.

    Clearly I should have done a before-and-after photo, but I wasn’t planning on including this in the review — I just thought it was funny and interesting that I couldn’t tell which rounds came from which gun and they seemed to just put ’em in the same place with the same overall spread.

    So I shot 10 rounds through each gun standing, off-hand, at 15 yards. These groups are nearly identical in size.

    Both pistols have excellent triggers. While the P365’s is “better” in the classical sense in that it’s lighter (about 4.5 pounds) and slightly crisper and has a shorter reset,
    I could easily argue that the Hellcat’s is “better” for CCW purposes.
    It’s a clean and nice trigger with a pronounced, fairly short reset, but weighs in at a heavier ~5.5 pounds.

    Overall the SIG’s trigger is a better trigger when taken on its own (it even feels better on the finger), but paired with the intended use of these little guns it’s my opinion that the pull weight of the Springfield is more appropriate.

    I preferred the all-black rear sight and eye-grabbing front sight setup of the P365 to the Hellcat’s white U-notch rear and eye-grabbing front.
    Then again, I do like shooting a pistol with an optic and Springfield is only charging $30 more for the optics-cut Hellcat. That’s awesome.

    Dan and I both agreed that the P365 shoots slightly softer than the Hellcat.
    Hard to say why, but there was a just-noticeable increase in sharpness with the Springfield.
    That’s almost grasping at straws here, really, to find any meaningful difference in the shooting experience between these two guns.

    The fact is, they feel in the hand and shoot on the range like fraternal twin brothers.

    I have close to 2,000 rounds through my P365 without one single hiccup, and Dan put his almost 700 through the Hellcat in the course of its review, including mixed hollow points and other stuff, and then I piled on a couple hundred more with four different brands and types of ammo.
    It’s another zero-failures-of-any-sort-whatsoever success case since leaving the box.

    When the dust settles the Springfield Hellcat has its additional round of capacity up its sleeve and the OSP version is optics ready, but it’s left holding rather slippery slide serrations. Perhaps, after all, that optics mount is the single largest difference between the two.

    If the extra round doesn’t tip you to the Springfield side and you have no plans to run an optic, it’s such a tossup between the Hellcat and the SIG that for many buyers it’ll probably come down to brand loyalty or opinion, place of manufacture (the P365 is made in New Hampshire, the Hellcat in Croatia), and perhaps aesthetics.

    Of course, that extra round and optics mount are absolutely nothing to sneeze at. The Hellcat is a fantastic pistol and it more than holds its own when compared head-to-head with the P365.

    Specifications: Springfield Armory Hellcat 9mm Pistol
    Height: 4″ (flush magazine), 4.5″ (extended magazine)
    Barrel Length: 3″
    Overall Length: 6″
    Width: 1″
    Capacity: 11+1 (flush magazine), 13+1 (extended magazine)
    Weight: 17.9 ounces
    MSRP: $569 (Std), $599 OSP (OSP) model – $499 and $529 retail

    Specifications: SIG Sauer P365
    Height: 4.3″
    Barrel Length: 3.1″
    Overall Length: 5.8″
    Width: 1″
    Capacity: 10+1; optional 12+1 and 15+1
    Weight: 17.8 ounces
    MSRP: $599 (as low as $499 via Brownells)
     

    roscott

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    “After years of development, we are proud to introduce the Hellcat™, the highest capacity micro compact 9mm in the world and the next generation of defensive pistol from Springfield Armory.”

    lol. Not to be confused with, “We copies Sig’s engineering as fast as we could.”
     

    Bigtanker

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    “After years of development, we are proud to introduce the Hellcat™, the highest capacity micro compact 9mm in the world and the next generation of defensive pistol from Springfield Armory.”

    lol. Not to be confused with, “We copies Sig’s engineering as fast as we could.”

    Just like every other company in any market.
     

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    Head-to-Head Comparison: SIG P365 vs. Springfield Hellcat
    BY JEREMY S. |OCT 11, 2019 |57 COMMENTS


    Specifications: Springfield Armory Hellcat 9mm Pistol
    Height: 4″ (flush magazine), 4.5″ (extended magazine)
    Barrel Length: 3″
    Overall Length: 6″
    Width: 1″
    Capacity: 11+1 (flush magazine), 13+1 (extended magazine)
    Weight: 17.9 ounces
    MSRP: $569 (Std), $599 OSP (OSP) model – $499 and $529 retail

    Specifications: SIG Sauer P365
    Height: 4.3″
    Barrel Length: 3.1″
    Overall Length: 5.8″
    Width: 1″
    Capacity: 10+1; optional 12+1 and 15+1
    Weight: 17.8 ounces
    MSRP: $599 (as low as $499 via Brownells)


    Glad you mentioned the Kel-Tec P-11. I still carry mine. Nice little pistol. I thought I'd include their specs too.


    Kel-Tec P-11 Specifications:

    • Caliber – 9mm.
    • Action – short recoil operated, semi-automatic, double-action only.
    • Weight – 14 oz.
    • Length – 5.6 inches.
    • Barrel length – 3.1 inches.
    • Magazine – 10 rounds.
    • Width – 1 inch.
    • Height – 4.3 inches.
     

    zachcz

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    I'd love to see something this size from SIG in true DA/SA Hammer Fired.
    That would be great. I like their hammer fired quite a bit. Maybe they should make a better version of the xde. I would be a buyer for sure. Wanted to like the xde and just couldn’t due to the trigger touching frame as it would break.
     
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