Why are most liberals afraid of guns?

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  • netsecurity

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    Nature vs. nurture surely plays some part. Their brains are probably wired in a way that makes them very untrusting of others. But let's focus on the nurturing aspect of what upbringing results in a lifelong fear of guns?

    The tradition of safe and responsible gun ownership is usually passed down from father to son, and in cultures where the father is not around, or may be a felon, this is clearly not possible. While not being taught gun safety at an early age is a detriment, I do not believe it necessarily promotes an outright fear of guns. In fact, fatherless inner city youths seem more likely to lack a healthy respect for guns (not enough fear).

    So what promotes an unhealthy fear of guns? Can anyone help explain the mentality of people like Cuomo and Bloomberg? Do you have friends or relatives like them? What makes them tick? Are they emotionally retarded, overly effeminate, or is there some other reason they do not respect the right to self defense? Did they get bullied on the playground, or were they the bully?

    Does it all boil down to the liberal hippy ideology of a utopian society? Did these people simply take too much LSD in the 70's? Or is it something more sinister, like a desire to dominate or fear of true equality? I really would like to see some scientific studies on the common backgrounds and characteristics of those who fear guns.
     

    MikeDVB

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    They're not afraid of guns, they're afraid of a lack of control. They can't control you, if you're armed. They will try to control whether or not you can be armed regardless of whether they feel they need to be armed for their own defense.
     

    Wysko

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    For many I have spoken with its emotions over logic. The stats dont matter, guns are scary and bad. We dont need them.
    As for the arrogant snots in office, they know whats best for us dirty little monkeys. :twocents:
     

    shibumiseeker

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    I know plenty of dyed in the wool conservatives that are afraid of guns and are all for more gun restrictions, and I know plenty of liberals who are avid gun enthusiasts. It's not an exclusive territory of liberals to be anti-gun, nor is it an exclusive quality of conservatives to be pro-gun. Couching it in those terms alienates a significant percentage of people who support gun rights.

    My mother who has never touched a gun in her life and was afraid of them and who is fairly liberal, recently made a donation to the NRA because as she said, she feels that even if she doesn't like guns it doesn't mean that they should be restricted. On the same token, right after the last major shooting I had a very conservative colleague who is big into hunting and owns several guns make the clear statement that we needed to have the AWB reinstated immediately to keep those evil military guns off the street, and who constantly questions why I carry a gun with me all of the time.

    I prefer to call anti-gun people anti-gun, rather than trying to apply another pejorative that doesn't have a lot to do with whether they are anti-gun or not. ANYONE who is pro-RKBA is a friend in my book.
     

    cobber

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    Being a 'gun-enthusiast' of course does not make you a supporter of the RKBA.

    I suspect it's the projection issue. Most know if they had guns they could not control their impulses to use guns to oppress others.

    That being said, they like the status quo just fine. Until something like Rodney King comes along and they're all harping on the police. Or the US invades Iraq. THEN the guys in uniform with guns are thugs. Basically they worry less, for the most part, about the plainclothes gun-bearing thugs. Until they get mugged.

    It's hard to be a gun-grabber AND have principles. :twocents:
     

    inxs

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    Collectivists favor the group, hence the value of the masses of un-empowered. Individuals prefer power of one, and things that will enhance the individual.
     

    rnmcguire

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    It's really simple. They're largely ignorant about guns. I mean this in a true definition of the word. They didn't grow up around guns and usually know nothing about them except what they see on tv. 99.99% of what's on tv depicts guns in a negative light so then they just form a prejudice against them. Just listen to the tv reporters and politicians when they speak about firearms. They use terms that are completely inacurate. I heard one guy use the term "multi bulleted clips". What the heck is that? They misinform the unknowing public through their ignorance.:rolleyes:
     

    jayhawk

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    It's really simple. They're largely ignorant about guns. I mean this in a true definition of the word. They didn't grow up around guns and usually know nothing about them except what they see on tv. 99.99% of what's on tv depicts guns in a negative light so then they just form a prejudice against them. Just listen to the tv reporters and politicians when they speak about firearms. They use terms that are completely inacurate. I heard one guy use the term "multi bulleted clips". What the heck is that? They misinform the unknowing public through their ignorance.:rolleyes:

    ^^ This. It's not difficult to fear something one is ignorant about. It's not uncommon that people have no objection to banning something they are ignorant about and do not themselves own.
     

    jgreiner

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    Nature vs. nurture surely plays some part. Their brains are probably wired in a way that makes them very untrusting of others. But let's focus on the nurturing aspect of what upbringing results in a lifelong fear of guns?

    The tradition of safe and responsible gun ownership is usually passed down from father to son, and in cultures where the father is not around, or may be a felon, this is clearly not possible. While not being taught gun safety at an early age is a detriment, I do not believe it necessarily promotes an outright fear of guns. In fact, fatherless inner city youths seem more likely to lack a healthy respect for guns (not enough fear).

    So what promotes an unhealthy fear of guns? Can anyone help explain the mentality of people like Cuomo and Bloomberg? Do you have friends or relatives like them? What makes them tick? Are they emotionally retarded, overly effeminate, or is there some other reason they do not respect the right to self defense? Did they get bullied on the playground, or were they the bully?

    Does it all boil down to the liberal hippy ideology of a utopian society? Did these people simply take too much LSD in the 70's? Or is it something more sinister, like a desire to dominate or fear of true equality? I really would like to see some scientific studies on the common backgrounds and characteristics of those who fear guns.

    Hoplophobia. They should seek treatment immediately.
     

    wagyu52

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    They are not afraid of guns, the first person they call when they need help is a person with a gun, be it police or private security.
    It is the liberal/socialist agenda, government regulations, welfare, unions, planned parenthood, fanny Mae, Freddie Mac, it is all designed to make people dependent and part of a group. An armed citizen is the greatest form of individualism, it is your job to protect your self/family/property.
     
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    I hate generalities, but look at an electoral map broken down by county. The blue dots on a sea of red represent high population concentration. The people who choose to live in these areas are very dependent, on both government and their fellow man, for day to day life. They depend on police to protect them, on municipal transportation, on restaurants or corner stores to feed them, etc. This leads to a lack of self reliance and more of a focus on what is good for the collective vs the individual. What Giuliani, and now Bloomberg have done in NYC has undeniably reduced crime and made it a safer place to live. The people who choose to live there have accepted a trade. They sacrificed liberty and personal responsibility for safety.

    The people who choose to live this way are not bad. They have just made a choice. Where they start to become bad is when they seek to impose there societal will on those of us who reject their way of life.

    In my locale the best police response time I can hope for is in the neighborhood of 20 minutes. It's not a question of funding, political will, or lack of effort, it's just psychics. The distance from point A to point B is X and the maximum speed Mr. Policeman can go is Y. Therefore; I am responsible for my safety and that of my family. When people and politicians with no insight into this reality try to impose upon my ability to carry out this responsibility, I get very angry.

    They fail to see that liberty can coexist with safety if personal responsibility is embraced instead of shunned. But I do not attempt to impose this view on them, this is where the difference lies. They have made their choice and must live with it, and yet they seek to remove my choice in the manner in which I live and force upon me a system that simply impractical for any number of reasons.
     

    Johnny C

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    I hate generalities, but look at an electoral map broken down by county. The blue dots on a sea of red represent high population concentration. The people who choose to live in these areas are very dependent, on both government and their fellow man, for day to day life. They depend on police to protect them, on municipal transportation, on restaurants or corner stores to feed them, etc. This leads to a lack of self reliance and more of a focus on what is good for the collective vs the individual. What Giuliani, and now Bloomberg have done in NYC has undeniably reduced crime and made it a safer place to live. The people who choose to live there have accepted a trade. They sacrificed liberty and personal responsibility for safety.

    The people who choose to live this way are not bad. They have just made a choice. Where they start to become bad is when they seek to impose there societal will on those of us who reject their way of life.

    In my locale the best police response time I can hope for is in the neighborhood of 20 minutes. It's not a question of funding, political will, or lack of effort, it's just psychics. The distance from point A to point B is X and the maximum speed Mr. Policeman can go is Y. Therefore; I am responsible for my safety and that of my family. When people and politicians with no insight into this reality try to impose upon my ability to carry out this responsibility, I get very angry.

    They fail to see that liberty can coexist with safety if personal responsibility is embraced instead of shunned. But I do not attempt to impose this view on them, this is where the difference lies. They have made their choice and must live with it, and yet they seek to remove my choice in the manner in which I live and force upon me a system that simply impractical for any number of reasons.

    So true!:ingo:


    Some people are afraid of guns and others just want to use those peoples fears to gain control.
     

    rw02kr43

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    I think it's control and the belief that their fellow man is just too stupid to think on his own. Needs the gov't to do it for them. My sister thinks this way. She has the police to protect her. Lives in a big city. Neighbors are arms length away. Okay that's fine. I live out a bit further. We have 1 cop. He has to sleep sometime. But, since she has her way of life, she is trying to force people that live different than her to live like her. I for one don't want to. I can't depend on one cop who may or may not be asleep to protect me. Nothing against him, he's not a robot.

    Jason
     

    findingZzero

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    I know plenty of dyed in the wool conservatives that are afraid of guns and are all for more gun restrictions, and I know plenty of liberals who are avid gun enthusiasts. It's not an exclusive territory of liberals to be anti-gun, nor is it an exclusive quality of conservatives to be pro-gun. Couching it in those terms alienates a significant percentage of people who support gun rights.

    My mother who has never touched a gun in her life and was afraid of them and who is fairly liberal, recently made a donation to the NRA because as she said, she feels that even if she doesn't like guns it doesn't mean that they should be restricted. On the same token, right after the last major shooting I had a very conservative colleague who is big into hunting and owns several guns make the clear statement that we needed to have the AWB reinstated immediately to keep those evil military guns off the street, and who constantly questions why I carry a gun with me all of the time.
    I prefer to call anti-gun people anti-gun, rather than trying to apply another pejorative that doesn't have a lot to do with whether they are anti-gun or not. ANYONE who is pro-RKBA is a friend in my book.

    Duuude! Stop pissing in the kool-aid. ;)
     

    netsecurity

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    I know plenty of dyed in the wool conservatives that are afraid of guns and are all for more gun restrictions, and I know plenty of liberals who are avid gun enthusiasts. It's not an exclusive territory of liberals to be anti-gun, nor is it an exclusive quality of conservatives to be pro-gun. Couching it in those terms alienates a significant percentage of people who support gun rights.

    Yabut, liberal politicians are the ones who have open plans for confiscation, and they get elected. So no matter how "pro gun" your Democrat friends claim to be, if they vote Democrat then they don't really give a damn about the 2A. There are always exceptions to every rule, but big city liberals in particular are always attacking the 2A.

    My general question could also certainly apply to conservatives. However, conservatives by definition don't vote for liberals, and therefore they are not my enemy. I want to understand my enemy so I can expose and destroy them. That is the point of this thread. :)
     

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    An armed citizen is the greatest form of individualism, it is not your job to protect your self/family/property.

    Glad to know that people out here actually understand what I understand. This is why I have guns, and why they don't...

    It's another form of convienience. Why make food on your own when you have someone else that you can buy it from? Why own a gun when you can call someone that has one?

    It all boils down to Self Respect, and Self Preservation. They trust that they'll always have this convienience. That's why I love power outages, because they can snap people out of the Convienince Trap! :twocents:
     

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    Glad to know that people out here actually understand what I understand. This is why I have guns, and why they don't...

    It's another form of convienience. Why make food on your own when you have someone else that you can buy it from? Why own a gun when you can call someone that has one?

    It all boils down to Self Respect, and Self Preservation. They trust that they'll always have this convienience. That's why I love power outages, because they can snap people out of the Convienince Trap! :twocents:


    So true. My sister was out of power for a week. She called me asking how to grill hamburgers. Ummm. Light fire. Put on meat. Meat not pink, eat meat.
     
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