Il. time limit

[Sonney]

The time limit has ran out for Ill. on the carry in this state what happens now Constitutional carry?

 

[Mgderf]

Time runs out tonight at midnight.

Nothing like waiting 'til the last minute.

I would have bet against it before, but constitutional carry actually looks possible now for Illinois residents. I wouldn't hold my breath.

They will end up passing the most restrictive bill they feel they can get by with.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

what happens now Constitutional carry

Let us hope and pray.

We shall see today.

 

[andski3]

Ok, so what does this mean for non-residents? Will they still have No reciprocity?

 

[Mgderf]

Ok, so what does this mean for non-residents? Will they still have No reciprocity?

I would DEFINITELY not hold my breath. They don't want their own residents carrying. What makes you think they would want to allow non-residents to carry?

 

[opus1776]

Ok, so what does this mean for non-residents? Will they still have No reciprocity?

The bill as written has no provision for reciprocity. However, non-res can apply for an IL carry permit ($300, 16 hours of training, and a couple of other things...)



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[04FXSTS]

Don't get in a hurry. The veto override is set for today and should be overriden with no problem. The bill will go into effect immediatley upon all paperwork being filed. We now have a bill that supposedly will be introduced if the override is sucessfull that is basicly the same as the AV language. This would modify the newly passed CCW bill into the same POS the governor tried to rewrite it into. This should also go nowhere because since this is a special session all bills have to pass with a super majority.
Please remember there will be no such thing as constitutional carry if this override fails. CC means the state has recognized the right to carry a weapon for self defense and you may do so throughout the state. In Illinois this will be "court carry" the state law will be void and no longer illegal to carry. However this does not void any home rule or other municipal restrictions without each of them being taken to court. If "court carry" does happen (very unlikley) much of Illinois will be OK to carry but you will have to research what areas. Be patient and see what happens today. Jim.

 

[LordTio3]

As far as I understand it, if Constitutional Carry gets pushed through, there is no carve out for Clay Co, and there are no required provisions in order to carry a firearm EXCEPT to have an Illinois-issued FOID card. If you don't have one, then you probably cannot carry there. We'll see. IANAL.

~LT

 

[Hammerhead]

As far as I understand it, if Constitutional Carry gets pushed through, there is no carve out for Clay Co, and there are no required provisions in order to carry a firearm EXCEPT to have an Illinois-issued FOID card. If you don't have one, then you probably cannot carry there. We'll see. IANAL.

~LT

That wouldn't matter for non-residents. It's already been adjudicated that because non-residents cannot get a FOID card, they're not subject to the requirement. Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't find the in the court opinion that they were upholding the FOID requirement, just that the state either had to come up with an acceptable carry law, or their ban on carry would be null and void.

As a resident, one would still probably be required to obtain and posses a FOID card to purchase a firearm, but not specifically to carry one after today.

And yes, it would be Constitutional Carry and not Court Carry. They declared the ban unconstitutional.

Moore v. Madigan

 

[jedi]

Ok, so what does this mean for non-residents? Will they still have No reciprocity?

The bill as written has no provision for reciprocity. However, non-res can apply for an IL carry permit ($300, 16 hours of training, and a couple of other things...)

As far as I understand it, if Constitutional Carry gets pushed through, there is no carve out for Clay Co, and there are no required provisions in order to carry a firearm EXCEPT to have an Illinois-issued FOID card. If you don't have one, then you probably cannot carry there. We'll see. IANAL.

~LT

Andski3 see the 3 images above.
It depends.

If the current bill does not get the supermajority needed to override the veto then at midnight IL goes "Constitutional Carry" but per IL laws you need an Illinois-issued FOID and since those are only given to IL residents then only those with FOID will be able to carry and be OK with the law.
However each county, city, town, etc is allowed to make more restrictive laws (ie. called home rule) so what you end up with is a patch work of laws on the topic that change depending on where you are at in the state.

If the bill passed then you have to pony up some $$$$ to get a non-resident permit.
Note that the GFZ is very, very, very BIG!!!!

Don't get in a hurry. The veto override is set for today and should be overriden with no problem. The bill will go into effect immediatley upon all paperwork being filed. We now have a bill that supposedly will be introduced if the override is sucessfull that is basicly the same as the AV language. This would modify the newly passed CCW bill into the same POS the governor tried to rewrite it into. This should also go nowhere because since this is a special session all bills have to pass with a super majority.
Please remember there will be no such thing as constitutional carry if this override fails. CC means the state has recognized the right to carry a weapon for self defense and you may do so throughout the state. In Illinois this will be "court carry" the state law will be void and no longer illegal to carry. However this does not void any home rule or other municipal restrictions without each of them being taken to court. If "court carry" does happen (very unlikley) much of Illinois will be OK to carry but you will have to research what areas. Be patient and see what happens today. Jim.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Veto overridden by both chambers of Illinois General Assembly.

Carry licenses will now be issued by the State of Illinois.

 

[jedi]

x 100000
the chicago machine does indeed bleed.

where is former mayor daily!!!
why did he leave...

 

[Carmelbythecorn]

It appears that the legislature has overridden the governors' amendatory veto to enact the nations final concealed carry law.

Illinois enacts nation's final concealed-gun law

 

[WC Deer Hunter]

The first step in a long process but it's a start and better than it was. Gotta start somewhere, and it's been a long time in the making.

 

[1911ly]

At least they have some form of carry rights. An expected 300.000 applications in the first year. Wow. And people think our wait is so long. Congrats to Illinois

 

[Mgderf]

An expected 300.000 applications in the first year.

My guess is they'll have close to twice that number of applicants.

 

[ryknoll3]

I think this is pretty much a crap bill, but at least you won't have to unload if you go into IL anymore.

(e)Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from
25		transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in
26		Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her vehicle and the non-resident: 2 (1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a 3 firearm under federal law; 4 (2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the 5 laws of his or her state or territory of residence; and 6 (3) is not in possession of a license under this Act. 7 If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended, 8 he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or 9 locked container within the vehicle in accordance with 10 subsection (b) of Section 65 of this Act.

Oh, and here's the definition of a "concealed weapon" under this Act:

"Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun
11		carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed
12		from view of the public or on or about a person within a
13		vehicle.

 

[ryknoll3]

My guess is they'll have close to twice that number of applicants.

At $150 for the permit and $200+ for classes, plus the time that has to be devoted to completing the class, that's a pretty high hurdle.

 

[45calibre]

WOW! so we can carry on our person while in the vehicle?

 

[ryknoll3]

Yup. Just can't leave the car with it, unless you unload and put it in a case, then you're good to go.