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    Bill of Rights

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    What bills would you like to see introduced at the Indiana State level, specific to gun owners' rights and the lawful exercise thereof?

    Constitutional Carry?
    (College) Campus Carry?
    Elimination of so-called "Gun Free Zones" with force of law? (to include the Capitol building in Indianapolis)
    Removal of the requirement of a LTCH for an electical weapon (i.e. stungun or Taser)

    Those are the big ones, as I see it. I'd also like to see the removal of idiotic provisions such as the "chinese throwing star" law and anything related to the carry of a knife.

    [STRIKE]What about "Shall Sign" legislation for Class III stuff?[/STRIKE] Edit: Done in 2016!

    Post your thoughts here! There are legislators who read this board, some of whom post here, too, but don't reveal who they are. You never know... your idea may gain traction and become the next good law here in Indiana!

    I know that our friend Rep. Lucas is planning to introduce Constitutional Carry again.

    This thread would be a good place to encourage others to write to legislators in a civil, respectful, polite tone, requesting passage of bills you like.
    (For those who don't think we need to be respectful of our employees, remember that we on INGO are not their only employers; which ones to whom they choose to listen may be determined solely by the tone of the letter and even by proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation.)

    Your thoughts below, please, and....... GO!
     
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    cbhausen

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    Thanks for this thread, BoR. Your list looks good and without Dermody as gatekeeper this session let's hope a Constitutional Carry bill gets a proper hearing this time around.

    Way out there I know, but if other states can openly defy Federal law regarding marijuana use, why can't Indiana defy the NFA? I heard awhile back where someone was suggesting this with in-state manufactured goods. Maybe that was Kentucky instead?

    Regardless, now is the time to get busy. Call and write your representatives and yes, be nice to them. Let's not squander this golden opportunity to do some good for 2A causes.
     

    warthog

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    Well, my wish list is more of one for the Country so it can be removed if it is not proper.

    A return to the Constitution as it was written and by the wishes of theFounders as known from their writings.

    That is my wish, vain though it may be.

    I would love to see the Constitution return as the Law of the Land. No more invasions of privacy, not more restrictions of the 2A, and a return to how this government is supposed to work. Those in Congress again listening to the People who lobby them rather than doing as their big money masters wish, The Supreme Court ending its legislation from the bench, the three main branches returning to a co-equal status with the Congress writing the laws and the President's place becoming less importan than it has become, He is not our King.

    So, in short, and I do know this will never happen or if it does it will take more time than I have left on this Earth, it is my wish. :patriot:
     

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    On the elimination of "gun free zones", what all would those consist of other than schools/school buses, casinos, court rooms, state house, and secured areas of airports? I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Of those, the only one I can see having a snow balls chance is the state house. I mean any improvement is better than nothing but does anyone really think you'll see the day when you'll be able to carry to a school while attending your kids' play or parent-teacher night? Or to an airport? A casino? Hmm, yeah, maybe I could see the casinos.

    I'm all for bringing it up and pushing but I'll believe it when I see it.
     

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    Secure area of an airport is federal. We can't change that one, but we can remove the state-level crime, just in case. Schools, check out Arizona. They've had that for lots of years. Oddly enough, no problems. Court houses can allow carry now, and some do, one of which at least partly due to the actions of one of our INGO members, "Eddie", who helped draft policy to make that work. Texas currently not only allows carry in the State House, but "fast tracks" entrance, past the security checkpoint. I can't give any examples of casinos. The two that I know of that you forgot are shipping ports and State fairgrounds during State Fair. Of course, as above, Federal buildings would still be out of our reach to change at this time.

    Hope that helps!

    Blessings,
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    On the elimination of "gun free zones", what all would those consist of other than schools/school buses, casinos, court rooms, state house, and secured areas of airports? I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Of those, the only one I can see having a snow balls chance is the state house. I mean any improvement is better than nothing but does anyone really think you'll see the day when you'll be able to carry to a school while attending your kids' play or parent-teacher night? Or to an airport? A casino? Hmm, yeah, maybe I could see the casinos.

    I'm all for bringing it up and pushing but I'll believe it when I see it.
     

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    Secure area of an airport is federal. We can't change that one, but we can remove the state-level crime, just in case. Schools, check out Arizona. They've had that for lots of years. Oddly enough, no problems. Court houses can allow carry now, and some do, one of which at least partly due to the actions of one of our INGO members, "Eddie", who helped draft policy to make that work. Texas currently not only allows carry in the State House, but "fast tracks" entrance, past the security checkpoint. I can't give any examples of casinos. The two that I know of that you forgot are shipping ports and State fairgrounds during State Fair. Of course, as above, Federal buildings would still be out of our reach to change at this time.

    Hope that helps!

    Blessings,
    Bill

    I didn't remember Arizona allowing carry in their schools. I think Utah has allowed it for sometime as well. I'm all for Indiana joining them. But I just believe between the fudds, the mom's, and the teachers, this is a unicorn. I'm not opposed charging the hill though. :)
     
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    You're right, it's Utah. I have permits from both and mixed them up.

    I agree with you that by itself, that's a unicorn. As part of a wholesale removal of GFZs though? Could be.

    I didn't remember Arizona allowing carry in their schools. I think Utah has allowed it for sometime as well. I'm all for Indiana joining them. But I just believe between the fuss, the mom's, and the teachers, this is a unicorn. I'm not opposed charging the hill though. :)
     

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    Constitutional carry to be sure, as well as the complete elimination of so called "gun-free" zones EVERYWHERE. And while I`m wishing big, an end to the exemptions provided for certain companies in regards to the Indiana "Parking Lot Bill". My company has such an exemption, and it`s ridiculous. My wife has instructions that should I be killed to or from work because I was unarmed and unable to defend myself, to sue my company for every nickle she can get.
     

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    Constitutional Carry for certain; with the LTCH being retained as an option for travel to states that do not get this freedom.
    removal of gun free zones - both legally and as possible (i.e. those at the state level);
    and via prohibitions such a for college students / workers.
    and those not including secured (i.e. prison area, etc) areas.

    I liked the small tax credit/deduction Mr. Lucas had last year for the cost (or part of it) for training; but only because we are all over taxed anyway.
    Probably should be allowed for each family member if we go this route.

    The others regarding other weapon options make sense too.

    It was noted above that Dermody is out as the gatekeeper; do we know who is the keeper of the keys
    ... i.e. chair of the state IGA house public policy committee?
     

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    Constitutional Carry for certain; with the LTCH being retained as an option for travel to states that do not get this freedom.
    removal of gun free zones - both legally and as possible (i.e. those at the state level);
    and via prohibitions such a for college students / workers.
    and those not including secured (i.e. prison area, etc) areas.

    I liked the small tax credit/deduction Mr. Lucas had last year for the cost (or part of it) for training; but only because we are all over taxed anyway.
    Probably should be allowed for each family member if we go this route.

    The others regarding other weapon options make sense too.

    It was noted above that Dermody is out as the gatekeeper; do we know who is the keeper of the keys
    ... i.e. chair of the state IGA house public policy committee?

    I think that they make decisions of who chairs the committees at their organizing meeting for the session, which was yesterday. I've not seen it announced.
     

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    If I remember correctly, last year when the topic of improving gun laws was mentioned, Gov. Pence said something to the effect that he thought Indiana was in pretty good shape. The implication being that they shouldn't spend any time rolling anything back. Is this sort of stuff decided upon by the party leadership before the session even starts? (Not so much about specific legislation but maybe strategic direction). Because it seemed like nothing would sway the committee chair or the speaker to even bring the bills up for consideration last year. If so, I'm wondering if there's any appetite at all this session for any of the above mentioned wish list items.

    Just throwing it out there...
     

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    That's not a bad question. I have nothing to support this either way, but I suspect that the decisions are made ahead of time, at least by some in party leadership. For example, Speaker Bosma seemed pretty accepting of Chairman Dermody's refusal to hear bills, almost as if it was planned. We saw things like this when Pat Bauer was Speaker, too: A good bill would be funneled to a committee that would never meet, and the House would not have to deal with it. When you have a supermajority, you can make decisions of what will and will not pass before the session starts.

    While I don't want to see the Dems gain ground in the legislature, I do think that some level of actually having to fight to get things to pass would be a good thing.

    I don't know if Speaker Bosma reads INGO. I do know that there are legislators who do, and I'm sure some of them read without having logins. I know that some of them DO log in here, whether they actually post or not.

    Mr. Bosma, I hope that you are reading this and I hope that you care to do what the voters want, rather than just the voters who donate. Money pays for reelection campaigns, but as you know, votes are what win offices.

    Blessings,
    Bill

    If I remember correctly, last year when the topic of improving gun laws was mentioned, Gov. Pence said something to the effect that he thought Indiana was in pretty good shape. The implication being that they shouldn't spend any time rolling anything back. Is this sort of stuff decided upon by the party leadership before the session even starts? (Not so much about specific legislation but maybe strategic direction). Because it seemed like nothing would sway the committee chair or the speaker to even bring the bills up for consideration last year. If so, I'm wondering if there's any appetite at all this session for any of the above mentioned wish list items.

    Just throwing it out there...
     

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    Hmmm...what bills? I would have to say a bill, that says "leave the 2nd Amendment alone" bill. One that states, in very simple terms, that this bill trumps any further legislation on the Bill of Rights, and all ten amendments within. Period.
     

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    What bills would you like to see introduced at the Indiana State level, specific to gun owners' rights and the lawful exercise thereof?

    Constitutional Carry?
    (College) Campus Carry?
    Elimination of so-called "Gun Free Zones" with force of law? (to include the Capitol building in Indianapolis)
    Removal of the requirement of a LTCH for an electical weapon (i.e. stungun or Taser)

    Those are the big ones, as I see it. I'd also like to see the removal of idiotic provisions such as the "chinese throwing star" law and anything related to the carry of a knife.

    What about "Shall Sign" legislation for Class III stuff?

    I'd like to see all of them. But IN already has "shall sign" for NFA. It went into effect July of this year.

    IC 35-47-8.5-2
    Mandatory issuance of certification by chief law enforcement
    officer; exceptions
    Sec. 2. (a) If the certification of a chief law enforcement officer
    is required by federal law for the transfer or manufacture of an NFA
    firearm, the chief law enforcement officer shall issue the certification
    not later than fifteen (15) days after receipt of a completed request
    for certification, unless the applicant is:
    (1) prohibited by law from receiving or possessing a firearm; or
    (2) the subject of a proceeding that could result in the applicant
    being prohibited by law from receiving or possessing a firearm.
    (b) A chief law enforcement officer may deny a request for
    certification only:
    (1) because the request for certification is not complete; or
    (2) for a reason described in subsection (a)(1) or (a)(2).

    You're right, it's Utah. I have permits from both and mixed them up.

    I agree with you that by itself, that's a unicorn. As part of a wholesale removal of GFZs though? Could be.

    MI also allows it if you have a carry permit and it is openly carried. NH has no law against it except for students. I think there maybe one or two others but not sure. Unfortunately, unlike UT, the schools can kick you out for doing so.
     

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    Hmmm...what bills? I would have to say a bill, that says "leave the 2nd Amendment alone" bill. One that states, in very simple terms, that this bill trumps any further legislation on the Bill of Rights, and all ten amendments within. Period.

    Agreed...I say always: What is ambiguous about the words: "...shall not be infringed". But since the United States Constitution already is the Law of the Land, should we really need yet another law to enforce existing law?
     

    Dean C.

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    My wish list is mostly federal

    Concealed Carry Reciprocity (so I can visit Chicago and not be disarmed)

    Hearing Protection Act passed

    Short Barrelled Rifles/Shotguns removed from the NDA

    State Wish List

    Make STATE Colleges recognize STATE issues concealed carry permits

    Constitutional Carry

    Legalization of Medical and Recreational Marijuana with the stipulation that the funds from the obscenely high taxes we place on it go towards fixing our roads and improving our schools

    That's pretty much all I want
     

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    Legalization of Medical and Recreational Marijuana with the stipulation that the funds from the obscenely high taxes we place on it go towards fixing our roads and improving our schools

    ...and thus get denied due to failing the 4473 quiz, question 11e, which the ATF has said that if a person is a user, regardless of living in a state where it's legalized medical or recreational, can't purchase a firearm.
     

    Dean C.

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    ...and thus get denied due to failing the 4473 quiz, question 11e, which the ATF has said that if a person is a user, regardless of living in a state where it's legalized medical or recreational, can't purchase a firearm.


    Because people are just ever so willing to be 100% honest on a 4473?
     
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