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    Gun Guy on Hammer and Nigel - 2A Talking Points

    "I've scoured the constitution and I've yet to find a Bill of Needs"


    This is about 10 minutes of some excellent talking points for 2A supporters.

    I'm done having the conversation, from now on, I'm just answering every FB post with this link.

    https://omny.fm/shows/hammer-and-nig...YdoDCQkvbQLjUM

    I think The Gun Guy does a good job representing our stance. Thanks Guy!
    Last edited by Yup!; 08-08-2019 at 19:10.

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    Thanks for the link. I always enjoy listening to Guys point of view on 2A stuff.

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    I heard it earlier, it's always good to hear a professional bring the pro-2A message.
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    I listened to it twice last night. Great points especially when you have just a few minutes to speak. I don't want to nitpick but I did have one comment. Early on in the interview, Guy Relford was talking about universal background checks and how they would be unenforceable without gun registration. He went on to say that law-abiding citizens would register their weapons because they are law-abiding but criminals would not.

    If universal background checks, gun registration, magazine restrictions, or an AWB ever came to Indiana, would you obey the law? Or, would you view any such laws as unconstitutional and ignore them? I view myself as extremely law-abiding but I think resistance and civil disobedience would go mainstream in a big way rather than gun owners submitting to registration or magazine restrictions. After all, I seem to remember Washington State gun owners gathering at the state capital to buy and trade weapons in violation of a law that said no private sales without a background check. The police just stood by and watch the gun owners thumb their noses at the law. If this can happen in Washington State, I wonder if we would see it here too in the Hoosier State?
    Last edited by Bobby; 08-09-2019 at 12:55.

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    Bobby, were you around from 1974 to 1998 when Indiana had a universal background check?

    Did you follow it? Do you know anyone who did? Can you find a single prosecution under Indiana's UBC?

    What would you estimate the compliance rate to be from 1974 to 1998? 3%? 1% Less than 1%?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Freeman View Post
    Bobby, were you around from 1974 to 1998 when Indiana had a universal background check?

    Did you follow it? Do you know anyone who did? Can you find a single prosecution under Indiana's UBC?

    What would you estimate the compliance rate to be from 1974 to 1998? 3%? 1% Less than 1%?
    I didn't move to Indiana until 2001. I also had absolutely no interest in firearms and the 2nd Amendment until 2008. So, I don't know what Indiana gun owners were doing with the universal background check law or what was going on behind the scenes with it.

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    Thanks for the link! I was listening via iHeart Radio and my signal dropped half way through.

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    I heard this on the way home from work, it was excellent. Well done Guy and kudos to Hammer and Nigel for having him on! Also, a shout out to Tony Katz who has been doing a great job as well. INGO folks should tune in to WIBC (93.1 in Indy area) and give these guys a listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby View Post
    If universal background checks, gun registration, magazine restrictions, or an AWB ever came to Indiana, would you obey the law? Or, would you view any such laws as unconstitutional and ignore them?
    Great point. Consider New Zealand after the ChristChurch shooting and subsequent gun buyback. From this article, 80% of owners of now banned weapons refused to surrender them. Instead, they'd rather now be considered criminals than abide by the law.
    https://reason.com/2019/07/08/noncom...ontrol-scheme/

    Will universal checks and registration work with "law abiding citizens" here, or will it instead it generate millions of criminals.

    If they don't know you have it, they can't take it. That would be the common logic.

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