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    Master Twangbanger's Avatar

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    Gun Tracing - Video

    10-minute video on the ATF's National (Firearm) Tracing Center:

    (Not surprisingly, it is accompanied by editorial content bellyaching how the system does not currently facilitate a registration database).

    https://www.theatlantic.com/video/in...cing-division/

    (Not sure whether the Special Agent running this reminds me more of the creepy Trivago guy or a character from a Quentin Tarantino movie)

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    Yeah, that dude was creepy.
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    I'm picturing you curbstomping yourself, ala Fight Club. All while yelling, "don't worry ma'am, he'll leave you alone after this."
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    If you want a real vintage denim hat, you'll probably have to push a hipster off his fixed gear bicycle and, while he's collecting his PBR cans, grab it off his head and run.

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    I may not be too sharp so explain to me the process. So if an LEA calls with a legitimate request for a Hi-Point, this center can scan the documents for the word "Hi-Point" and it will give them the name of every individual that has purchased a Hi-Point (as the original FFL purchaser)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayseed_40 View Post
    I may not be too sharp so explain to me the process. So if an LEA calls with a legitimate request for a Hi-Point, this center can scan the documents for the word "Hi-Point" and it will give them the name of every individual that has purchased a Hi-Point (as the original FFL purchaser)?
    Currently, I need a serial number from the High Point and call High Point to find out which dealer they sent it to. Then ask that dealer who they sold it to...etc etc etc. If the dealer is out of business, then a hand search of their paper files will have to happen.
    On the other side of fear lies freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayseed_40 View Post
    I may not be too sharp so explain to me the process. So if an LEA calls with a legitimate request for a Hi-Point, this center can scan the documents for the word "Hi-Point" and it will give them the name of every individual that has purchased a Hi-Point (as the original FFL purchaser)?
    No. They can only search by hand. The database is not searchable.

    LEA submits request for trace.
    ATF finds out what wholesaler got the gun.
    ATF then finds out what retailer got the gun.
    If the retailer is still in business, they contact the store, and have them find the 4473.
    If the retailer is out of business, ATF has to hand search the 4473s until they find it.

    Electronic database searching is illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fargo View Post
    I'm picturing you curbstomping yourself, ala Fight Club. All while yelling, "don't worry ma'am, he'll leave you alone after this."
    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    If you want a real vintage denim hat, you'll probably have to push a hipster off his fixed gear bicycle and, while he's collecting his PBR cans, grab it off his head and run.

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