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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    Can not disagree but his people () are not staying this course either. The Republicans are not on his side. The Dems are not on his side.

    But then again, does he actually have a side......?????


    I do not want to come off as a Trump boot licker. No where near just saying what would any of us do in this position with pretty much zero backing. The resistance is far wider and deeper that 1 man.
    The problem is (as was discussed muchly in the 2016 election cycle) Trump is not an ideologue. He's not by nature a conservative or libertarian. If we had such a person in office, I'd wager that person would be out front, using the bully pulpit to argue against these proposed laws, presenting the case for liberty and less government, why existing gun laws have failed us, etc. Instead, it appears we have a deal maker doing swampish things--floating ideas to get a deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombs View Post
    Been the case since our founding.

    The only fault is people not holding politicians accountable for their actions. Voting isn't exactly going to change much if there still remains no worse consequence than having to run for a different seat.

    Politicians are now more scared of corporate owned media than they are their constituents.
    This was much more effective:


    Until the mindsets and spines involved in the image above make a reawakening in this country, the ship is going to keep sinking and no amount of voting will matter. This country wasn't set up to have powerful politicians towering over sheepish constituents, and this is why voting will never change fundamental problems, like politicians throwing your rights in the trash. It was set up so that the people instilled the fear of God in politicians to such a degree they had second thoughts about toying with rights.
    When people actually had back bones.
    The emasculation of the "A" male is wide spread.
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    Far to many girly-men let the spouse carry theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodFearinGunTotin View Post
    The problem is (as was discussed muchly in the 2016 election cycle) Trump is not an ideologue. He's not by nature a conservative or libertarian. If we had such a person in office, I'd wager that person would be out front, using the bully pulpit to argue against these proposed laws, presenting the case for liberty and less government, why existing gun laws have failed us, etc. Instead, it appears we have a deal maker doing swampish things--floating ideas to get a deal.
    Good points my friend. As always.
    Now....lets go over to FB and make some snowflakes cry OK.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    2 terms in the chair and then you take your ass home.
    Term limits won't give you the desired affects you are looking for. I live in Michigan and we have term limits on our State offices, 6 years for the House, 8 years for the Senate, Governor, AG, and Sec. of State. Does it eliminate the number of liberals holding office on the east side of the State, who are the bane of my existence? No. Does it eliminate the number of conservatives on the west side of the State who hold office? No. It really doesn't change anything. What is changed is the loss of institutional memory because of the constant change. You have departments within the State government waiting out "termed" elected officials because of political differences(usually liberal), and you have an increase in lobbying activity. You end up with a government run on a more activist mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash-hider View Post
    Term limits won't give you the desired affects you are looking for. I live in Michigan and we have term limits on our State offices, 6 years for the House, 8 years for the Senate, Governor, AG, and Sec. of State. Does it eliminate the number of liberals holding office on the east side of the State, who are the bane of my existence? No. Does it eliminate the number of conservatives on the west side of the State who hold office? No. It really doesn't change anything. What is changed is the loss of institutional memory because of the constant change. You have departments within the State government waiting out "termed" elected officials because of political differences(usually liberal), and you have an increase in lobbying activity. You end up with a government run on a more activist mentality.
    Makes sense but in my post I mentioned limits put on lobby activity which I suppose like limiting abortion would just drive it under ground and out of site.

    30 plus years in power has made these **** heads invulnerable to us. They have created an alphabet soup of agency's making what surmounts to law outside the normal paths laid out for this. Judges doing the same thing.

    I guess we are just screwed. Not touting rebellion but maybe Tombs has a solid point here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    Good points my friend. As always.
    Now....lets go over to FB and make some snowflakes cry OK.....
    Yeah, fellow INGOers...if you're not already on Jim Lucas' FB feed, you do miss out on some delicious "discussions".
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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    Makes sense but in my post I mentioned limits put on lobby activity which I suppose like limiting abortion would just drive it under ground and out of site.

    30 plus years in power has made these **** heads invulnerable to us. They have created an alphabet soup of agency's making what surmounts to law outside the normal paths laid out for this. Judges doing the same thing.

    I guess we are just screwed. Not touting rebellion but maybe Tombs has a solid point here.
    Progressivism has be chipping away at the original foundations of this country for over a hundred years. We've been the proverbial frog sitting in a kettle of water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    I guess we are just screwed. Not touting rebellion but maybe Tombs has a solid point here.
    Of course I do, it's laid out in the declaration of independence and the constitution, not to mention countless federalist papers.

    If the people refuse to mow the grass, it's going to become full of snakes. Voting your opinion on whether you like snakes or not won't get rid of the tall grass or the snakes. Voting the snakes out of the tall grass won't matter, because more snakes will come and fill it. The only thing that will solve the problem is mowing the grass.

    We haven't mowed the grass in 244 years, and we're all scratching our heads wondering why it's full of snakes. Isn't the answer obvious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombs View Post
    Of course I do, it's laid out in the declaration of independence and the constitution, not to mention countless federalist papers.

    If the people refuse to mow the grass, it's going to become full of snakes. Voting your opinion on whether you like snakes or not won't get rid of the tall grass or the snakes. Voting the snakes out of the tall grass won't matter, because more snakes will come and fill it. The only thing that will solve the problem is mowing the grass.

    We haven't mowed the grass in 244 years, and we're all scratching our heads wondering why it's full of snakes. Isn't the answer obvious?
    It is and has been to many of us for some time now. Thing is the man bun skinny jeans eye liner black nail polish wearing girly man has been bred not to step up. Diminished package size. No ball.
    But we must maintain decorum in the open Forum. Please.

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