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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodFearinGunTotin View Post
    Reasonable and common sense. What could possibly go wrong when you use those two things?
    Words that do well in focus groups, yet mean nothing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyinAvon View Post
    Words that do well in focus groups, yet mean nothing...
    Heh... yeah, they mean something alright. They are euphemisms for you-gun-owners-need-to-compromise.
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  3. #33
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    I wrote the legislators and president, AGAIN.....

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    You do know, I hope, that Joe Minchin's 'universal background check' proposal has two problems still:


    1) as with all these 'background checks' - it will NOT significantly impact violent crime, particularly the highly-motivated and pre-planning "mass shooter" type psychopaths. Thus it is merely 'political cover' that will waste tax dollars and misdirect law enforcement resources.


    2) it doesn't have enough safeguards to prevent government accumulation of 'registration information' - there needs to be a SEVERE (i.e. life in prison) penalty for anyone knowingly accumulating registry information not pertaining to a specific crime, and without a specific judicial warrant.





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    We'll see if that helps any...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov View Post
    It sounds to me that this is basically an attempt to regulate a small amount of business that is conducted at gun shows, particularly by non-FFL holding individuals who rent booth space to sell from their personal collections. Those persons, if actually "engaged in the business," are already breaking exitisting federal law.
    Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think this actually does describe a real phenomenon. It's not a lot of people, but there are definitely dudes who treat the show circuit like a side business. As always, the devil is in trying to parse out the exact definitions of words and criteria for meeting those definitions. Is the dude buying rifle after rifle from the CMP and putting them on the table for $1,400 running a for-profit business? The guy selling $500 SKSs that he bought for $200 a crate in the 90s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ark View Post
    Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think this actually does describe a real phenomenon. It's not a lot of people, but there are definitely dudes who treat the show circuit like a side business. As always, the devil is in trying to parse out the exact definitions of words and criteria for meeting those definitions. Is the dude buying rifle after rifle from the CMP and putting them on the table for $1,400 running a for-profit business? The guy selling $500 SKSs that he bought for $200 a crate in the 90s?
    I couldn’t agree more. The issue is this: that person is already breaking the law. It would take some smart accounting work to prove it, but the BATFE has plenty of those. I’m personally of the persuasion that one shouldn’t have to have a license to sell, possess, or carry firearms. Be that as it may, we should enforce existing laws first before making new ones.

    I heard some further commentary on federal firearms laws, and the language of this proposed legislation is confusing, particularly with the word “commercial.” I take “commercial” to mean business. The business of firearms sales requires an FFL. They are proposing a requirement for background checks for any firearm that is advertised for “commercial sale.” By that, I’m guessing that they are applying this to any advertised private sale, including anything advertised on the INGO classifieds. It’s going to be a brave new world, I’m afraid.


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    How about this. The new "real drivers license " form of ID could be used to identify if a person isn't legal to purchase or own a gun. Full background checks could be done to everyone issued this ID and if the person has anything showing up on the background check that says he or she can't own a gun, mark the license with a red dot or something. No other background check necessary and no record keeping. If I buy a gun from you, a quick check of my DL would be easy enough. This same DL could be used for votiing.

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    Definately won't make a difference on crime, and for the bulk of us on here not busy commititing a bunch of crimes, it really won't make a difference; as we are not in the "business" of selling guns. Besides, trades don't count as sales!
    Mortui non mordant.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingrider1800 View Post
    How about this. The new "real drivers license " form of ID could be used to identify if a person isn't legal to purchase or own a gun. Full background checks could be done to everyone issued this ID and if the person has anything showing up on the background check that says he or she can't own a gun, mark the license with a red dot or something. No other background check necessary and no record keeping. If I buy a gun from you, a quick check of my DL would be easy enough. This same DL could be used for votiing.
    Good thing it's impossible to make fake ID's.

    Criminals by definition don't follow the law.
    Laws never prevent crimes they meerly give our Masters a method to punish you for stepping out of line.

    What I'd like to see is the original meaning of outlaw come back. I saw if a person breaks enough laws or commits violent felonies they should get branded an outlaw. Their face posted on the nightly news informing everyone.

    So of those outlaws start causing more trouble and a law abiding citizen takes them down everyone moves on business as usual.

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