Bloomberg’s gun-control group vastly outspent the NRA to help Dems win in VA

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  • Leadeye

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    Bah! Remove dc from the equation and Virginia isn't different from any other state. How different would Illinois be without chicago?

    It has nothing to do with what the NRA spends.
     

    wakproductions

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    Bah! Remove dc from the equation and Virginia isn't different from any other state. How different would Illinois be without Chicago?

    It has nothing to do with what the NRA spends.

    Virginia has been red in presidential elections from 1968 to 2008. Both Bushes had VA. Not long ago the legislature there was mostly Republican and was able to pass gun-friendly laws. Now the Democrats have complete control over the VA legislature. That's a pretty big deal, especially since DC proper is its own region with its own 3 electoral votes. What's changed?
     

    Leadeye

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    People in the beltway and beyond that are in dc's orbit. Lots of money out there.

    Bloomberg and big media can crow all they want, but it's demographics that is changing Virginia. Where and how people earn their money and wanting to live near it. Think about all the money involved in payroll and secondary support for one $1K per hour law/lobby firm, it's got to be like a small military base.
     

    wakproductions

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    People in the beltway and beyond that are in dc's orbit. Lots of money out there.

    Bloomberg and big media can crow all they want, but it's demographics that is changing Virginia. Where and how people earn their money and wanting to live near it. Think about all the money involved in payroll and secondary support for one $1K per hour law/lobby firm, it's got to be like a small military base.

    Why are we seeing the impact now and not previous years?
     

    Leadeye

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    Why are we seeing the impact now and not previous years?

    That demographic gets bigger every year, they have probably reached a "tipping point" where there's more of them now than people who used to vote for representation in the pro gun column. It's a sad situation, but dc functions just like any other big political machine.
     

    Ingomike

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    Leadeye is correct. To see with your own eyes what occurred look at the first map on this page.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/08/us/politics/virginia-governor-results-analysis.html

    There is very little of the red-orange in a bold color, the blue is bold in many places. It is clear to see the enthusiasm gap on the map. That tends to mean unenthusiastic candidates running against a headwind of demographic change. Few winners want to quit what they are winning at and run for an office they're are likely to lose.
     

    Leadeye

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    Wakproductions is correct about the rich and powerful coming for your guns, plutocrats have never liked the idea of ordinary folks owning weapons. I think this prejudice probably goes back to sticks and stones, but Virginia is being lost to dc.
     

    gregkl

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    Interesting. When I lived in Winchester it was primarily Republican. Not any more. I lived there for 13 years but moved away in 1998. It was a good place to live and probably still is though the tide has shifted.

    I was heavily involved in the Hunter Education program working with the DNR and I helped teach NRA classes so people could get a CC permit. They had some restrictive gun laws but nothing that really handcuffed a person. Lot's of hunting opportunities.
     

    wakproductions

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    That demographic gets bigger every year, they have probably reached a "tipping point" where there's more of them now than people who used to vote for representation in the pro gun column. It's a sad situation, but dc functions just like any other big political machine.

    Leadeye is correct. To see with your own eyes what occurred look at the first map on this page.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/08/us/politics/virginia-governor-results-analysis.html

    There is very little of the red-orange in a bold color, the blue is bold in many places. It is clear to see the enthusiasm gap on the map. That tends to mean unenthusiastic candidates running against a headwind of demographic change. Few winners want to quit what they are winning at and run for an office they're are likely to lose.


    I find it absolutely incredible how every single county voting map is predictably bright blue at the city centers. I wonder what that says about how different urban lifestyles are from being in a less densely populated area. How does that kind of gap originate? Obviously the concerns of city people are radically different than those outside. How does it end up that way?

    I also see that term "demographic" change in politics used more frequently than ever these days. Is that just a code word for race? There's this guy on Youtube I watch occasionally whose channel is called The Red Elephants and he is obsessed with "demographics" being "destiny" for conservatism. He's terrified of what will happen when white people become a minority. He believes that once a district goes blue, it's blue forever. If that's the only strategy Republicans have to stay relevant - to play defense with demographics - that's just unsustainable.

    I don't know why Republicans consider it so difficult to sell their vision to groups of people who aren't "white". Can't they bridge the "demographic" divide by bringing some of those blue people over to the conservative side? After all, wouldn't the core outcomes desired by conservatives - economic prosperity and freedom from tyranny - be appealing to just about anyone? Someone in some Republican think tank needs to be examining on a very granular level why they just can't sell conservative ideas well in the cities.
     

    Ingomike

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    This was in anther thread but fits here well.

    Looks like Virginia has continued its trend of electing outstanding candidates. They have just elected Joe Morrissey to their state senate. For those of you unfamiliar with his stellar history: https://wtvr.com/2014/12/12/joseph-morrissey-alford-plea/

    "HENRICO COUNTY, Va. -- Virginia State Delegate Joe Morrissey (D - Henrico) will serve six months in jail after he entered an Alford plea in Henrico Court on charges of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. By entering an Alford plea, Morrissey did not admit he broke the law, but did admit there was enough evidence to convict him.

    The plea came days before Morrissey was to go on trial on charges of taking indecent liberties with a minor and possession of child pornography. The charges stemmed from allegations Morrissey was involved in an inappropriate relationship with a 17-year-old member of his legal staff."

    So Virginia has a governor who can't remember if he was in blackface or a Klan outfit, and who wants to forget his rather offensive nickname, a lieutenant governor accused of sexual assault, an attorney generals also wearing blackface, and now a state senator who plead out because there was enough evidence to convict him of possessing kiddie porn and taking indecent liberties with a minor.
     

    wakproductions

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    Billionaire: Hmmm. I'll bankroll these Democrats to get elected and take everyone's guns. That'll show those Conservatives!

    Later, same billionaire: What?!? A wealth tax?!? Oh the humanity!! This has to be stopped!!!


    Sadly for him, there's no constituational amendment to stand in the way of these cash grabbing Socialists.
     

    AmmoManAaron

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    I find it absolutely incredible how every single county voting map is predictably bright blue at the city centers. I wonder what that says about how different urban lifestyles are from being in a less densely populated area. How does that kind of gap originate? Obviously the concerns of city people are radically different than those outside. How does it end up that way?

    I also see that term "demographic" change in politics used more frequently than ever these days. Is that just a code word for race? There's this guy on Youtube I watch occasionally whose channel is called The Red Elephants and he is obsessed with "demographics" being "destiny" for conservatism. He's terrified of what will happen when white people become a minority. He believes that once a district goes blue, it's blue forever. If that's the only strategy Republicans have to stay relevant - to play defense with demographics - that's just unsustainable.

    I don't know why Republicans consider it so difficult to sell their vision to groups of people who aren't "white". Can't they bridge the "demographic" divide by bringing some of those blue people over to the conservative side? After all, wouldn't the core outcomes desired by conservatives - economic prosperity and freedom from tyranny - be appealing to just about anyone? Someone in some Republican think tank needs to be examining on a very granular level why they just can't sell conservative ideas well in the cities.

    Migrants and college educated youths (who are in debt and have few marketable skills) tend to gravitate to urban areas. Read this article and it will answer most of your questions.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/victor-davis-hanson-history-socialism
     

    Ingomike

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    Migrants and college educated youths (who are in debt and have few marketable skills) tend to gravitate to urban areas. Read this article and it will answer most of your questions.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/victor-davis-hanson-history-socialism

    Good description of what is going on. People who have a worldview shaped by living in a place where virtually no one has any autonomy and that is reliant on others to even push the elevator buttons, has no concept of what it is like to live in Indianapolis, much less the rural areas surrounding it and the self reliance necessary to live there.
     

    wakproductions

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    Migrants and college educated youths (who are in debt and have few marketable skills) tend to gravitate to urban areas. Read this article and it will answer most of your questions.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/victor-davis-hanson-history-socialism

    Thanks for sharing the article. Brings many good points.

    The forces working to undermine the 2A are coming from a much bigger wave. As I point out in the other thread about common ground with the left, the things driving leftism is the failure of our institutions. Companies have gotten too big, leading to great wealth disparity and its related conflicts. The education system broken, with a massive issue in the financing of higher education. These problems are so big right now that I don't know if they can be fixed without things get much much worse before they get better.
     

    indykid

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    Every time I hear or read about Bloomberg helping democrats, I can't help thinking, isn't it the democrats who hate rich people? Yet isn't it true that lately political races have come down to the person with the most money wins?
     

    wakproductions

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    Every time I hear or read about Bloomberg helping democrats, I can't help thinking, isn't it the democrats who hate rich people? Yet isn't it true that lately political races have come down to the person with the most money wins?

    They don't seem to care or be bothered by that. Whatever it takes to win.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    I find it absolutely incredible how every single county voting map is predictably bright blue at the city centers. I wonder what that says about how different urban lifestyles are from being in a less densely populated area. How does that kind of gap originate? Obviously the concerns of city people are radically different than those outside. How does it end up that way?

    I also see that term "demographic" change in politics used more frequently than ever these days. Is that just a code word for race? There's this guy on Youtube I watch occasionally whose channel is called The Red Elephants and he is obsessed with "demographics" being "destiny" for conservatism. He's terrified of what will happen when white people become a minority. He believes that once a district goes blue, it's blue forever. If that's the only strategy Republicans have to stay relevant - to play defense with demographics - that's just unsustainable.

    I don't know why Republicans consider it so difficult to sell their vision to groups of people who aren't "white". Can't they bridge the "demographic" divide by bringing some of those blue people over to the conservative side? After all, wouldn't the core outcomes desired by conservatives - economic prosperity and freedom from tyranny - be appealing to just about anyone? Someone in some Republican think tank needs to be examining on a very granular level why they just can't sell conservative ideas well in the cities.

    It does make you wonder. Minority and migrant communities actually have a lot of conservative values. If the GOP was seen as all encompassing, they'd should regularly smash Democrat candidates. Unfortunately, there's a long history of coded rhetoric, that makes minorities/migrants believe they aren't welcome.
     
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