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  1. #41
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    We have NICS and 4473's and they are not likely to go away any time soon. Yes they are infringements.

    There are 20,000 unconstitutional laws on the books that do not stop criminals from attaining guns.

    If denials can be used to catch criminals that would be a good thing and something to point to when the opposition say we need new laws.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Freeman View Post
    Well, there one thing that federal law enforcement is good at . . . and that is press conferences.

    Dudes, look, gun running from Indiana has long been a problem. Remember the Black Knights member that they caught with suitcases full of guns at the Lafayette gun show?

    It's not that tough. Look up the serial number of the recovered murder weapon and then trace the number to the shop that sold it to her.

    It happens every day in Indy. Heck straw buying is why some stores banned cameras and other stores demand Indiana DL instead of ID cards.

    Running guns in Indiana is also somewhat of a problem. And no charges brought. Ask me how I know...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombs View Post
    What good does enforcing these laws even do?

    So they can't buy a gun from an FFL, welp guess what else exists? The private market. If you can't legally buy a gun your IQ has to be in the single digits if you're buying a gun from an FFL.

    All it does is keep honest people from being able to order firearms directly, has zero impact on criminal firearms possession.

    And you can't stop the private market without rigorous enforcement of licensing, registration, and inspections. So all this does is inconvenience law abiding citizens for no purpose of any kind. The only "benefit" any of this has is keeping bureaucrats employed off government welfare pushing papers around and answering phones.
    You're preaching to the choir here, brother...preaching to the choir. I was only stating my ideal state as a disclaimer to acknowledging where we're at now. And since we're forced to live under the current regime, I'd rather it use the tools in its toolbox already rather than try to invent new ones.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombs View Post
    What good does enforcing these laws even do?

    So they can't buy a gun from an FFL, welp guess what else exists? The private market. If you can't legally buy a gun your IQ has to be in the single digits if you're buying a gun from an FFL.

    All it does is keep honest people from being able to order firearms directly, has zero impact on criminal firearms possession.

    And you can't stop the private market without rigorous enforcement of licensing, registration, and inspections. So all this does is inconvenience law abiding citizens for no purpose of any kind. The only "benefit" any of this has is keeping bureaucrats employed off government welfare pushing papers around and answering phones.
    Yeah but. . . . .FEELINGS!
    Yes I am for gun control!! A firm grip, steady aim, and a gentle squeeze!!

    What comes after your first "infraction"? Double Secret Probation perhaps???

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    Quote Originally Posted by femurphy77 View Post
    Yeah but. . . . .FEELINGS!
    Yup.
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    But you can call me John.....Force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobber View Post
    Running guns in Indiana is also somewhat of a problem. And no charges brought. Ask me how I know...
    How do you know that?

    There, I asked.

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    I was in an LGS and there were 3 or 4 teenagers saying "That one Grandma" and pointing to the AK on the wall.

    I left. That happens to be "THE" LGS in NWI that more crime guns are traced back to than any other.

    I am sure that the transfer was legal, but I personally would have refused the purchase.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigblitz View Post
    How do you know that?

    There, I asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2A_Tom View Post
    I was in an LGS and there were 3 or 4 teenagers saying "That one Grandma" and pointing to the AK on the wall.

    I left. That happens to be "THE" LGS in NWI that more crime guns are traced back to than any other.

    I am sure that the transfer was legal, but I personally would have refused the purchase.
    The Don's Guns of NWI?
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    If you read a few articles about Indiana being Chicago's problem you are bound to see their name. I personally like the shop and people, but they do sell a lot of guns that end up in Chicago.
    https://media.nbcchicago.com/images/...d+Firearms.png
    Sorry, #3.

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