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  • JAL

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    This Arizona Senate bill won't go anywhere. It's grandstanding by the state senators that sponsored it pandering to their constituencies. The Arizona House, Senate and Governor's Mansion are all Republican. It won't even make it out of sub-committee and will die there. Numerous bills pandering to constituencies with no hope of going anywhere are routinely introduced in every statehouse and in Congress. Most quietly die unless it's a hot-button issue and then it gets brief attention.

    One should study some how a bill actually becomes law. It's not a simple process and is time consuming. Gets assigned to a sub-committee. If approved there it moves to the committee of the whole. If not, it dies for that legislative session. If approved there, it goes to the chamber. If not, it dies. If the speaker of the house or president of the senate doesn't want it to get to the floor for debate and a floor vote, it will get pigeon-holed until the end of the session and it dies. No bill carries over from one session to the next. If it gets to floor vote and passes, it goes to the other chamber where the process starts all over again with just as many opportunities to die. More likely than not, there will be amendments in the other chamber if it gets to a floor vote and passes. That triggers a joint committee to attempt to hammer out a compromise between the chambers. Any such compromise must go back for another floor vote in each chamber. Only after that same exact identical bill passes both chambers down to identical punctuation does it go to the governor for signature. This is a gross simplification as there are times when it's even more complicated. Bottom line is bills don't sneak through in the dead of night as the process is much too deliberative and lengthy.

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    DoggyDaddy

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    This Arizona Senate bill won't go anywhere. It's grandstanding by the state senators that sponsored it pandering to their constituencies. The Arizona House, Senate and Governor's Mansion are all Republican. It won't even make it out of sub-committee and will die there. Numerous bills pandering to constituencies with no hope of going anywhere are routinely introduced in every statehouse and in Congress. Most quietly die unless it's a hot-button issue and then it gets brief attention.

    One should study some how a bill actually becomes law. It's not a simple process and is time consuming. Gets assigned to a sub-committee. If approved there it moves to the committee of the whole. If not, it dies for that legislative session. If approved there, it goes to the chamber. If not, it dies. If the speaker of the house or president of the senate doesn't want it to get to the floor for debate and a floor vote, it will get pigeon-holed until the end of the session and it dies. No bill carries over from one session to the next. If it gets to floor vote and passes, it goes to the other chamber where the process starts all over again with just as many opportunities to die. More likely than not, there will be amendments in the other chamber if it gets to a floor vote and passes. That triggers a joint committee to attempt to hammer out a compromise between the chambers. Any such compromise must go back for another floor vote in each chamber. Only after that same exact identical bill passes both chambers down to identical punctuation does it go to the governor for signature. This is a gross simplification as there are times when it's even more complicated. Bottom line is bills don't sneak through in the dead of night as the process is much too deliberative and lengthy.

    John

    I don't know... it seems pretty simple... ;)

    [video=youtube;FFroMQlKiag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFroMQlKiag[/video]
     

    ashby koss

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    This Arizona Senate bill won't go anywhere. It's grandstanding by the state senators that sponsored it pandering to their constituencies. The Arizona House, Senate and Governor's Mansion are all Republican. It won't even make it out of sub-committee and will die there. Numerous bills pandering to constituencies with no hope of going anywhere are routinely introduced in every statehouse and in Congress. Most quietly die unless it's a hot-button issue and then it gets brief attention.

    One should study some how a bill actually becomes law. It's not a simple process and is time consuming. Gets assigned to a sub-committee. If approved there it moves to the committee of the whole. If not, it dies for that legislative session. If approved there, it goes to the chamber. If not, it dies. If the speaker of the house or president of the senate doesn't want it to get to the floor for debate and a floor vote, it will get pigeon-holed until the end of the session and it dies. No bill carries over from one session to the next. If it gets to floor vote and passes, it goes to the other chamber where the process starts all over again with just as many opportunities to die. More likely than not, there will be amendments in the other chamber if it gets to a floor vote and passes. That triggers a joint committee to attempt to hammer out a compromise between the chambers. Any such compromise must go back for another floor vote in each chamber. Only after that same exact identical bill passes both chambers down to identical punctuation does it go to the governor for signature. This is a gross simplification as there are times when it's even more complicated. Bottom line is bills don't sneak through in the dead of night as the process is much too deliberative and lengthy.

    John


    IMHO it is lazy thinking like this that will doom the protection of our 2nd amendment, then all other parts of the constitution.

    the DEMS and other anti-gunners WILL go through the process and the mess to destroy us. We must not waiver in our ultimatums, then they are just threats in words only.
     

    jamil

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    This Arizona Senate bill won't go anywhere. It's grandstanding by the state senators that sponsored it pandering to their constituencies. The Arizona House, Senate and Governor's Mansion are all Republican. It won't even make it out of sub-committee and will die there. Numerous bills pandering to constituencies with no hope of going anywhere are routinely introduced in every statehouse and in Congress. Most quietly die unless it's a hot-button issue and then it gets brief attention.

    One should study some how a bill actually becomes law. It's not a simple process and is time consuming. Gets assigned to a sub-committee. If approved there it moves to the committee of the whole. If not, it dies for that legislative session. If approved there, it goes to the chamber. If not, it dies. If the speaker of the house or president of the senate doesn't want it to get to the floor for debate and a floor vote, it will get pigeon-holed until the end of the session and it dies. No bill carries over from one session to the next. If it gets to floor vote and passes, it goes to the other chamber where the process starts all over again with just as many opportunities to die. More likely than not, there will be amendments in the other chamber if it gets to a floor vote and passes. That triggers a joint committee to attempt to hammer out a compromise between the chambers. Any such compromise must go back for another floor vote in each chamber. Only after that same exact identical bill passes both chambers down to identical punctuation does it go to the governor for signature. This is a gross simplification as there are times when it's even more complicated. Bottom line is bills don't sneak through in the dead of night as the process is much too deliberative and lengthy.

    John
    Arizona is turning purple. The Republicans have narrow majorities. Senate is 17 R’s to 13 D’s. House is 31 R’s to 29 D’s. They’ll keep chipping away.
     

    JAL

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    I don't know... it seems pretty simple... ;)

    [video=youtube;FFroMQlKiag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFroMQlKiag[/video]
    This is a gross over-simplification for 8 year olds in grade school. There are a lot more steps in the process. The most glaring one is the omission of sub-committees which can including sub-committees which have parts which must bring it to the whole sub-committee and the same with committees. It also omits sub-committee and committee chairs which have immense power to bring matters before them. A bill can simply die by a chair deciding not to bring it before the (sub-)committee. Getting a bill through Congress is a maze having to deal with numerous personalities who have the power to kill it by simply not scheduling it. There are means to force things over the head of a chair, but that's considered a semi-nuke option that can make enormous enemies that will exact retribution in the future. The number of bills at federal and state level that die in the process is enormous.

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    JAL

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    Arizona is turning purple. The Republicans have narrow majorities. Senate is 17 R’s to 13 D’s. House is 31 R’s to 29 D’s. They’ll keep chipping away.
    I wouldn't doubt that although this was a product of the 2018 mid-term election which typically has a backlash. The real key is the Governor's mansion which would require a super-majority in both chambers to override a governor's veto. I don't see both chambers plus the governor turning blue any time soon.

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    This is a gross over-simplification for 8 year olds in grade school. There are a lot more steps in the process. The most glaring one is the omission of sub-committees which can including sub-committees which have parts which must bring it to the whole sub-committee and the same with committees. It also omits sub-committee and committee chairs which have immense power to bring matters before them. A bill can simply die by a chair deciding not to bring it before the (sub-)committee. Getting a bill through Congress is a maze having to deal with numerous personalities who have the power to kill it by simply not scheduling it. There are means to force things over the head of a chair, but that's considered a semi-nuke option that can make enormous enemies that will exact retribution in the future. The number of bills at federal and state level that die in the process is enormous.

    John

    It was a joke. Maybe not a good one, but a joke nonetheless. :)
     

    JAL

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    It was a joke. Maybe not a good one, but a joke nonetheless. :)

    :yesway:

    As an undergrad I majored in PoliSci for three years before getting disgusted enough to change to Physics - and my grad degree shifted to large scale Systems Engineering and General Systems Theory. Nevertheless, the general public doesn't appreciate how lengthy the process is with all the bottomless pit potholes and tall hurdles that confront a bill. In one of the classes covering legislation we had to track a number of bills in Congress from introduction to death or floor vote on a timeline because most of them would simply die before getting anywhere. That's why the "New Way Forward" bill put forward by Garcia (IL) as a front man with The Squad, Jayapal et al. behind it isn't going anywhere soon. It's much too far to the left and its cost would be enormous. Someone has to figure out how to pay for it in the budget. If there's no matching appropriation, it's as good as dead. Unless there's a truly compelling national emergency, if you want to give a run of the mill bill any hope of progress toward passage, introduce it at the beginning of the legislative session. Otherwise it will simply run out of time and die at the end of the session as it plods along in the shuffle. That's why I don't pay too much attention until one appears to have enough votes to get out of committee with recommendation to be scheduled for a floor vote. Then one must assess how well it's likely to be received in the other chamber if it's emerging from the one originating it.


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    jamil

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    I wouldn't doubt that although this was a product of the 2018 mid-term election which typically has a backlash. The real key is the Governor's mansion which would require a super-majority in both chambers to override a governor's veto. I don't see both chambers plus the governor turning blue any time soon.

    John
    Transplants. Refugees. Immigrants. The demographics are changing in AZ. That’s what happened to VA. AZ won’t pass the bat**** crazy stuff in 2020. But if trends continue AZ may be the next VA.
     
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