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    Le mot juste 2A_Tom's Avatar

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    Background Check Completion Act of 2020

    Blumenthal (stolen valor) at it again.


    https://www.ammoland.com/2020/07/bel...n-act-of-2020/

    Under current law, if NICS cannot be completed in three business days, a federally licensed dealer can still transfer a firearm. While the setup of NICS is not ideal, the current setup has several points that make it much fairer than various licensing and waiting period schemes:


    • It presumes that someone seeking to buy a firearm is law-abiding.
    • It places the burden to deny a firearms transaction on the government.
    • It also does not subject someone trying to exercise their rights into an indefinite wait.



    Blumenthalís bill changes that. It removes the three business day limit on a delay. In other words, if there is a delay for whatever reason (NICS is down, confusion), a law-abiding citizen is denied the right to purchase a firearm until the delay gets resolved, and without the time limit, that can be potential for some serious, life-threatening abuse.

    2+2=4



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    That is how it is in IL, if the system cannot automatically verify your identity you get delayed until a state worker can manually verify, which can take days or even weeks now because the system is out of date and understaffed

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    That rule was put in, to keep them from underfunding the department and then taking forever.
    Removing the "instant" from NICS.

    Look at New Jersey. By law, their gun permits are supposed to be approved/rejected within a certain time frame.
    A time frame which is ignored.
    At least I think it was New Jersey.
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    Plinker

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    Quote Originally Posted by actaeon277 View Post
    That rule was put in, to keep them from underfunding the department and then taking forever.
    Removing the "instant" from NICS.

    Look at New Jersey. By law, their gun permits are supposed to be approved/rejected within a certain time frame.
    A time frame which is ignored.
    At least I think it was New Jersey.
    If they are like IL then when someone tries to sue to get them comply with the legal timeframe, they hurry up and issue the permit for the one plaintiff and dismiss the case as moot, leaving everyone else waiting SOL

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    When I lived in NJ, I got fingerprinted and had a card in short order. To by any gun I had to show the card at local PD and pay $2 for a form to buy each gun. Present that at the dealer and buy whatever gun I wanted.

    It was a small Infringement from what it is today.

    Had to transport unloaded out of reach.

    2+2=4



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    Grandmaster actaeon277's Avatar

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    I know this source isn't a "good" source, but

    https://www.wikihow.com/Acquire-a-Gu...-in-New-Jersey

    Wait for your response for at least 30 days.*New Jersey state law states that the police must get your application back to you within 30 days. However, this law is frequently ignored and it may take several months to receive notification if you aren't persistent
    Una salus victis nullam sperare salute.
    The only hope for the doomed, is no hope at all
    Virgil

    I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast;
    for I intend to go in harm's way.
    John Paul Jones

    A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The rights existence is all the reason he needs.
    Benson Everett Legg - Woolard v. Sheridan

    If you're a noob, develop thick skin, and read the FAQs


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    Grandmaster actaeon277's Avatar

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Jersey

    NJ law states that Firearms Identification approval and/or handgun purchase permit(s) must be issued within 30 days. However, this is not always adhered to with some applicants waiting months to receive their permits




    THIS kind of thing is why the NICS law was written the way it was.
    Una salus victis nullam sperare salute.
    The only hope for the doomed, is no hope at all
    Virgil

    I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast;
    for I intend to go in harm's way.
    John Paul Jones

    A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The rights existence is all the reason he needs.
    Benson Everett Legg - Woolard v. Sheridan

    If you're a noob, develop thick skin, and read the FAQs


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    Le mot juste 2A_Tom's Avatar

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    It use to take months for an LTCH turn around too.

    2+2=4



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    Grandmaster actaeon277's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2A_Tom View Post
    It use to take months for an LTCH turn around too.
    A time limit wasn't written in to the law either.


    But both prove the same point.
    If you get rid of the proceed language, you'll lose the "instant" part of NICS.
    Una salus victis nullam sperare salute.
    The only hope for the doomed, is no hope at all
    Virgil

    I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast;
    for I intend to go in harm's way.
    John Paul Jones

    A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The rights existence is all the reason he needs.
    Benson Everett Legg - Woolard v. Sheridan

    If you're a noob, develop thick skin, and read the FAQs


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2A_Tom View Post
    It use to take months for an LTCH turn around too.
    You mean like now when you can't get an appointment to get fingerprinted?

    Quit looking - no quality posts here.

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