2021 Legislative Session Thread

[Jeepster48439]

It is getting that time of the year.

I just saw Jim Lucas post on the Book of Faces that he is introducing a Constitutional Carry Bill in the upcoming session, HB1034.

 

[goldtrigger]

Great to hear! I hope it gets through the system this time. I am ready to contact my senator and rep and the involved committees.

 

[04FXSTS]

It is getting that time of the year.

I just saw Jim Lucas post on the Book of Faces that he is introducing a Concealed Carry Bill in the upcoming session, HB1034.

It is a Constitutional Carry bill not concealed carry. Jim.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Please understand that "concealed carry bill", which Indiana does not have now or in the past, is on a separate railroad track from Constitutional Carry.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Let us capitalize on the lack of Brian Bosma and lean into calling, e-mailing and writing letters to voice our support of Constitutional Carry.

 

[KLB]

Will Holcomb sign it if it managed to pass?

 

[Jeepster48439]

It is a Constitutional Carry bill not concealed carry. Jim.

OOOPS... Not sure how 'concealed' snuck in there. Changed it.

 

[Jeepster48439]

Please understand that "concealed carry bill", which Indiana does not have now or in the past, is on a separate railroad track from Constitutional Carry.

And we don't want to go down that track. Changed my post to Constitutional.

 

[Jeepster48439]

Will Holcomb sign it if it managed to pass?

If it passes, I would hope that there would be enough support to override his veto.

 

[04FXSTS]

Indiana with the license to carry however you want is really nice. I came from Illinois that has concealed carry with a provision for an accidental exposure, wind blows up your cover garment or exposed reaching to get something from a top shelf. My plan is still to carry concealed but now no worries if it does become exposed. Now I can carry OWB which is more comfortable than IWB most of the time. Jim.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Will Holcomb sign it if it managed to pass?

Who cares.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

If it passes, I would hope that there would be enough support to override his veto.

With respect, I think we are operating under the confusion that created the Rainwater campaign.

1. As per the Indiana Constitution the Governor has NO pocket veto. It does not matter if he signs it or not.

2. If the General Assembly passes it, the General Assembly can override the veto.

I think many people confuse the federal Constitution for the state Constitution. They are distinct.

Like the Rainwater campaign many on INGO go running off in . . . unique directions. The hyperbolic focus on the Governor of Indiana INSTEAD of the removal of Bosma as Speaker of the House was most telling.

INGO, keying off the confusion/ignorance of the Media, is hyper focused on the state Executive, instead of where the focus of power is under the Indiana Constitution, the Legislature.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I need to do a Indiana State government thread.

The Governor of Indiana is far less powerful than the President of the USA or even the Governors of other states. The Constitution of 1851, as per the Jacksonian spirit of the times, defined a weak Governor. The General Assembly and the Supreme Court of Indiana fought the Governor from 1851 to the constitutional amendments of the 1970s.


Governors of Indiana very rarely use the veto as it is considered a paper tiger here. Gov. Wright did and after he came to the General Assembly to accuse them of corruption and accepting bribes from banks, the General Assembly quickly overturned his vetos. It takes a majority to override a veto, not 2/3s as the Media incessantly tells you.

See if this helps with the background--Office of the Governor, Indiana: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Indiana

 

[KLB]

I need to do a Indiana State government thread.

A simple statement that in Indiana a simple majority is needed in both houses to override a veto would have sufficed.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

A simple statement that in Indiana a simple majority is needed in both houses to override a veto would have sufficed.

I believe the Rainwater thread shows that I need to. That was . . . something else.

 

[Jeepster48439]

I need to do a Indiana State government thread.

The Governor of Indiana is far less powerful than the President of the USA or even the Governors of other states. The Constitution of 1851, as per the Jacksonian spirit of the times, defined a weak Governor. The General Assembly and the Supreme Court of Indiana fought the Governor from 1851 to the constitutional amendments of the 1970s.


Governors of Indiana very rarely use the veto as it is considered a paper tiger here. Gov. Wright did and after he came to the General Assembly to accuse them of corruption and accepting bribes from banks, the General Assembly quickly overturned his vetos. It takes a majority to override a veto, not 2/3s as the Media incessantly tells you.

See if this helps with the background--Office of the Governor, Indiana: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Indiana

Kirk - I appreciate you pointing out the way things work at the State level. Being a relative newbie to Indiana (8 years), I have to admit, I don't really know the ins and outs of the way our State works. Thanks for the quick lesson.

My point was, and probably not well stated, really the same as your response to KLB."Who cares." If it gets to the Governor, it should be able pass any hurdle needed to enact it, if the Governor does not sign it.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I assume too much. I would think everyone would be briefed in by now. My fault for being cranky. Covid-19 is affecting everyone and I should not be so sharp, unintentionally or intentionally.

It does NOT matter if a Governor signs a bill in Indiana. 1. There is no pocket veto. 2. To override a veto in Indiana requires a majority, NOT 2/3s as per the federal Constitution.

Pocket veto: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_veto

 

[KellyinAvon]

Thanks for starting the thread Jeepster! It is that time of year when we once again go for Constitutional Carry (ConC) of handguns here in the Great State of Indiana. The Bills haven't been posted yet, but if Jim Lucas has a Bill number (HB1034) we are getting close.

The House Committees have been posted for 2021 (link below). The House the Public Policy Committee is where gun/2A Bills will come up in hearings. On the Senate side the Judiciary Committee will hear gun/2A Bills.

More to follow, I'm going through the Public Policy Committee members now.


Committees - Indiana General Assembly, 2021 Session

 

[KellyinAvon]

I'm pleased with the Public Policy Committee. Ben Smaltz and Jim Lucas are definitely on our side when it comes to gun rights.

Indiana House Public Policy Committee (9 R's, 4 D's):

Chairman Ben Smaltz District 52: NRA-PVF A+.

Vice Chair Peggy Mayfield District 60: NRA-PVF A.

R's:

Steve Bartels District 74: NRA-PVF A

Edward Clere District 72: NRA-PVF A

Sean Eberhart District 57: NRA-PVF A+

Matt Hostettler District 64: NRA-PVF A

Matt Lehman District 79: NRA-PVF A

Jim Lucas District 69: NRA-PVF A+

Tim Wesco District 21: NRA-PVF A+

D's:

Ranking Minority Member Justin Moed District 97: NRA-PVF A

Terri Jo Austin District 36: NRA-PVF B (Not sure why it's that high, won't be there on ConC)

Blake Johnson District 100: NRA-PVF ? (Did not reply to NRA-ILA questionnaire is "?" Replaced Dan Forestal, the drug-abusing nephew of the Marion County Sheriff)

Vanessa Summers District 99: NRA-PVF F (A true enemy of gun owners.)

 

[KellyinAvon]

No bills yet, the Senate has committees posted. Aaron Freeman is still on Judiciary, a new Chair so research is required. And for your entertainment, Senator Obtuse is still on Senate Judiciary!